Seriously, what Israel is doing today is no different from what the Nazis did before and at the beginning of World War II, extreme nationalism, illegal expansion, annexation of foreign territory claiming it historically belongs to them, propaganda using the latest technology, terrorizing neighbors, military at the center of society.
Looking at America, obviously Nazism isn’t banned, we have elected a ton of the fuckers.
Capitalist countries rarely enforce their policies on right wing extremism. Fascism is a guard dog of capital they think they can keep leashed. In the 20th century that guard dog was pointed east so that it could harm the communists which threatened capital then. Today that guard dog is used to control resources in west asia and hide the dirtier work of imperialism that the west doesn’t want as seen on their hands. They can’t ban zionism because they need Israel and zionism is foundational to Israel.
IMO it’s because the western oligarchs are making bank selling military tech to israel.
This is it. Israel is too profitable for them to detox from. They get to test out sick new tech to spy on and abuse their citizens, they get to put pressure on nations in the surrounding area with resources they want, and just the sheer amount of money selling weapons in general.
It’s one of the most lucrative grifting exercises the western nations have ever designed.
I wonder how much the “ignore your genocide” fee is.
Pretty big, when you consider AIPAC* and propaganda. https://www.informationliberation.com/?id=65051
And getting land and other natural resources, likely.
What land? The booby trapped gravel pit that used to be Gaza? Nobody wants that.
Why would you say something so devoid of public knowledge or forethought? Settlers want it, because they claim it. Trump is talking about Trump Resort there.
Also, climate change isn’t going to be too kind to the area
Nazism is only outright banned in a few democratic countries. Even in ones where it is, like Germany, there are parties that skirt around it, like AfD. Who are getting uncomfortably popular, BTW.
It’s very hard to actually ban an ideology even in heavily authoritarian countries. Doubly so when it’s something that’s really hard to define, like Fascism. And no, the Ur-fascism paper isn’t even the final word on that subject.
Being a Nazi is not only not banned in most countries, in some like the US it’s explicitly legal (i.e. “Freedom of Speech”). That said, it is (kinda) banned in Germany, yet they are still around over here, because you can’t ban people from believing in stuff.
All a state can do is to try and prevent them from gaining too much traction, and I do not feel like Zionism has all that much tbh. Israel’s recent actions are very unpopulat in the west, even though most people are not even affected by them in the slightest. Many of the people who protest them probably have no direct connection to Israel or Gaza. So what’s the goal of a ban even?
I can only speak for Germany, but here an Israeli sniper and alledged murderer fled the country, bacause he is being persecuted for warcrimes, i.e. the murder of civilians. You also cannot call for the extermination of anyone without riscing consequences. This does not prevent people from being Nazis, Zionists or anything else. It just sanctions them for publicly expressing it.
‘All a state can do is to try and prevent them from gaining too much traction, and I do not feel like Zionism has all that much tbh.’
Are you serious? Just look around you ffs.
also because legally buying land in, and migrating back to, a country from which your descendants came is not a crime
Buying a house is legal, but annexing and building on occupied territory is illegal according to international law.
if you frame it that way, no, but if you take into account the open terrorism of irguin, the murders and ethnic cleansing of the nakba, 80 years of apartheid and casual killing, and the genocide since 2023, its all crimes for 80 years. So try again with the framing of the problem.
can you remember what the arabs did that started all that?
Found the zionist! You need to read up on the history of Palestine, rather than echo israeli hasbara.
Try ‘A Very Short History of the Israel-Palestine Conflict’ by Ilan Pappe to start 🙂.
i know you read this book many times so could you quote something from it that disproves anything i said?
Because those same countries were never ideologically opposed to fascism in the first place. America was a major inspiration for Hitler, namely in its jim crow laws and eugenics. Before world war 2, America loved Hitler. And the western powers are the reason why Zionism exists as an influential ideology to begin with. Britain gave the land for zionists to colonize to begin with. All of these same countries also committed the same atrocities themselves when colonizing places like the Americas, Africa, and Asia. Liberal governments have never been opposed to colonialism, genocide, or fascism.
Nazism isn’t even banned. Just look at all the fucking nazis in the governments of the world.
The only illegal group I am aware of, in the states anyway, is the KKK. And they still fuckin’ exist too! 😬
Because being involved in international politics at the state level has a similarly effect on one’s morals as the One Ring
Because up until recently Zionists weren’t committing a genocide
IMO all religion that says you’re entitled to shit should be banned from practicing publicly
And it would be easier and more fair to just ban all orginized religion
This is the reason.
Nazism isn’t banned anywhere. If it were, Zionism and any other nationalism would most certainly be banned.
To answer your question, because it serves capital.
AIPAC
People are still pretty sorry about the Holocaust, there’s Christian mysticism associated with it, the Middle East is a rough neighborhood and Zionists have used all of those things to great effect.
Just like most “rough neighborhoods” in the States, it is kept that way by the CIA and capital owners (ie, the empire) to uphold the threats of capitalism
What about the space aliens? /s
Are you suggesting this is some fringe conspiracy? Lol. Lmao.
The part where the US contributed to the region sucking is real, although it goes back past the American century as well. The rest sounds (ahem) very Lemmy.
The rest? The part about US cities? Never heard of the crack epidemic, or the MOVE bombings in philli, or the Tulsa massacre, or COINTELPRO? The list goes on.
I get that head-in-sand is easier but this is declassified, [relatively] well known stuff and this isnt even starting with the 21st century
Because… gestures at wikipedia. It’s a long story.
“Western democratic” countries love their manifest destinies and their Lebensraums. The reason they, after a lot of infighting, mostly agreed the Nazis were bad is that they also did it to white people. Zionists are just continuing that proud tradition, now on a target they agree is subhuman, so it’s illegal to be against it.
Sadly, Nazism isn’t banned in most western countries.
They couldn’t even get that right.
