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    Weird…

    According to the Bible no man, no angel, not even Jesus Christ himself knows when the rapture will be…

    Huge fan of whoever convinced them to blame it on trump not releasing the Epstein files tho.

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        Esoterica channel on YT is a bit over halfway through a lecture series on Merkavah, that talks about apocalypse predictions and the language used and why (which by extrapolation applies to occult topics and language used).

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      “Clearly, when he wrote with his own hand that no man would know the day or the hour, the Lord wasn’t counting on a genius like me coming along.”

      • a whole shitload of different preachers

      Joking aside, how do whole congregations avoid seeing the narcissism on some of these motherfuckers?

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    Christians are almost always been selective about what parts of the bible they believe (or even bother to read) and this is an easy example. The bible makes very clear that the date the world ends will be known to none but god. There won’t be a warning from angels and humans won’t be able to figure out in advance. There could be signs it’s coming that people pick up on but someone saying “it’ll be this day on this month” will always be a lie. That aside, why would a Christian who thinks the world is gonna end sell anything? What will you do with that money in Heaven?

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      That aside, why would a Christian who thinks the world is gonna end sell anything? What will you do with that money in Heaven?

      it’s all carnies and rubes.

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      Even Jesus, who is God, sorta, didn’t know when it would happen. He told his disciples he would return in their lifetime.

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        He forgot to convert from God Time to mortal time. He was thinking they would live another couple dozen years or whatever, a thousand times as long as it took HimDadSelf to create the universe and speedrun evolution. Forgetting those the same kind of Days.

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          Its literally what it says in the bible.

          There’s a lot of mental gymnastics Christians do to pretend this isn’t true, but that is transparent and pathetic.

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            Apparently it’s a guess of misinterpretation and he was talking about the destruction of Herod’s temple which happened in 70 AD

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      I wonder if the inverse would hold true

      If somebody “knows” its the rapture, then it must not actually be the rapture

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        Pretty sure it is a time when it’s least expected

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      That aside, why would a Christian who thinks the world is gonna end sell anything? What will you do with that money in Heaven?

      They must not think Trump is releasing the Epstein files any time soon.

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      You do realize Christianity is pretty diverse group, right?

      You can believe what you want to believe

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        If you hold a single text to be the very word of your god, and you use it to justify all that you do or do not do, then you must follow it to the letter or admit that you’re just a tourist. There is zero in between when you claim that the thing is pure and divine, cannot be questioned, and should be the basis for all your laws.

        Christians just keep throwing out whole chunks of the fucking thing except all the parts that they can misinterpret and mistranslate to allow them to do awful things to people they don’t like for “reasons”.

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          My favorite part is how every pastor and many laypeople will have their own particular set of interpretations. Never mind that, at most, only one of those could be fully right, and therefore the rest are doing/believing some things wrong.

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            Although everything is like that. Some people have different political, scientific, philosophical theories about a load of things. It’s not that big of a deal.

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              Nobody thinks you’re going to hell for having a new idea about quantum gravity. Nobody has set up car bombs over whether or not plucked chickens are human. Political differences do have a very different history with violence, of course.

              But when there is a large number of people who are happy to make me feel profoundly wrong for not accepting their deity, or thinking the wrong day is the day God wants us to rest, or who think plenary indulgences are or aren’t a good idea, or if Jesus abolished or fulfilled the old law, or if God thinks we should kill all trans people… we have hit a different territory.

              These are not the same thing, and sometimes it is a VERY big deal. Literally life and death.

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                Nobody is going to hell for believing in Calvinism/Arminianism. Nobody is going to hell for believing in Memorialism or Real Presence. You go to hell for your sin.

                But when there is a large number of people who are happy to make me feel profoundly wrong for not accepting their deity, or thinking the wrong day is the day God wants us to rest, or who think plenary indulgences are or aren’t a good idea, or if Jesus abolished or fulfilled the old law, or if God thinks we should kill all trans people… we have hit a different territory.

                These aren’t necessarily salvation issues, although some beliefs may be signs of someone being unsaved (for example thinking they can buy their way into heaven or wanting to kill trans people- both show examples of someone who hasn’t been regenerated by the Holy Spirit)

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          If you hold a single text to be the very word of your god

          Which not all Christians do. There are many who believe to be the words of human beings, just divinely inspired or significant.

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            Sure, but why do they get to pick and choose what is more important than the rest? How do intentionally bad mistraslations for kings and personal gain provide the basis for a religion? Even the best Christians I know, who don’t force their own beliefs on others, still consider themselves to be pro-life because of the bible, or if they treat gay people with all the respect a human being deserves otherwise they still believe beung gay to be a sin. Why choose that stuff to follow but ignore the mixed cloth and tattoo parts?

            You(maybe you, maybe the general “you”) don’t get to pick what part of your holy text is important or not. That’s not a religion, just a theology enthusiast with potentially questionable ideas all of their own.

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        Diverse, sure. But some statements hold true across most of that diversity. Almost every Christian individual and denomination is selective about what parts of the bible they listen to. Since some parts of the bible are contradictory, this is sometimes a necessity. But other times it’s just people being people.

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          I’m gonna write a book that contradicts itself, not give clarification on those parts, leave it up to the readers to figure it out, and base the afterlife on how right they were. Because at least some Christians think they are doing it exactly right, and they will not be having the afterlife they think they will.

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            You left out “pick the correct translation of that book”. There are people who are ‘KJV Only’ who believe that the King James Version of the bible is the only correct divinely inspired version.

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    Faith is such an interesting concept. Believers can make up interesting statements like this, but if this statement is true, then so is the following: God was okay with Epstein’s activities, otherwise God would’ve intervened. Right?

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      Naaah we’re just too stupid to understand how god operates. Don’t even try, just know that god loves you and shut up about Epstein /s

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      God is all-powerful and all-knowing. He knows the number of hairs on your head. Every touch, crime, etc. by Epstein was God’s specific will or it wouldn’t have happened. The Lord works in mysterious ways!

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    You know what? Sure. As long as they have a reason to release the files I’m down to support it.

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    Every time the rapture doesn’t happen they seem more convinced that it will happen in the future.

    I really should get into the property market around the time the next rapture announcement comes out because surely they’ll be selling all their houses off right. If you timed it right you could go on a really expensive holiday and save money by not paying for a return flight.

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    It’s 2025 and the Daily Star is now considered one of the more relevant and trustworthy news sources. And not because they’ve improved themselves.

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        In 2011 one of the skeptic magazines published a form saying something like, “I hereby bequeath all my worldly goods to the bearer of this note on [day after the world was supposed to end].” Obviously a joke, but I wonder how many doomsday-ers were confident enough to sign on the dotted line?

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          I doubt many because you never, ever, hear of any of these rapture folks giving away all their money and stuff. never. Oh it’s going to happen…but just in case…

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            Not quite the same, but when my wife was a kid, some of her hardcore fundie neighbors ran up MASSIVE loan and credit card debts on the lead-up to one of these rapture dates in the '90s. They thought that since they would soon be chilling with Jesus in Heaven they wouldn’t have to face financial consequences. It financially ruined them and they lost everything.

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              Huh. Isn’t that the Sin of Greed then? Seems even if there had been a rapture they self-selected out.

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                  I mean, I understand it. I think it’s stupid, but I understand it.

                  They believe Good is something you are, not something you do. So anything they do is Good, because they’re Good. If a Bad Person does the same thing, say, running up debt; they did something Bad, because Bad People only do Bad things.

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      checks list Cool, the one I added (and documented) is still listed.

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    American Christians. Never heard anyone else use the term rapture.

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      The article mentions the preacher who started this rapture excitement is from South Africa

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      I mean that really all depends on the religion that they are. The rapture is used in different context for different religions and it’s not always called the same thing. However the word rapture is typically prevalent among sects such as Southern Baptist and any of the other evangelical faith. But it’s not typically found among many of the base Lutheran religions and the exact words as well as Catholicism.

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        In the UK, some Christians have used the term “Rapture” to just refer to the second coming. I’ve heard people use the term and not even know Rapture Theology (where Christians just disappear) to be a thing.

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    It is so utterly insane that so many humans that I share this planet with are basically in a doomsday cult, and what really gets me is that you’re considered an asshole or an extremist if you ever say something like “I hate the doomsday cult and the people in the doomsday cult are stupid”. You get called intolerant etc etc. You’re damn right I’m intolerant of a bunch of morons who have literally no incentive to care about the long-term well being of our planet and species. Just because the doomsday cultists happen to share the same name for their beliefs as people who are substantially less insane than them does not mean that they get a pass on being insane or that they get to be entitled to the same degree of respect that their less insane counterparts are entitled to.

    I’m tempted to say well, at least they also want the Epstein files to be released. But the people with this type of mentality are just going to sit around waiting for some literal miracle to take place to release the files, because they believe in miracles and that’s not an irrational plan of action as far as they’re concerned.

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      I hate the doomsday cult and the people in the doomsday cult are stupid

      By “doomsday cult”, do you mean the very specific subset of Christians that follow the rapture conspiracy theory or all Christians? Because one of those answers is fun and games and the other actually does mean you’re an asshole, extremist and intolerant.

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        Just because the doomsday cultists happen to share the same name for their beliefs as people who are substantially less insane than them

        Yes, the other Christians are who I am referring to here. Although I do believe that the fundamental way of religious thinking (belief contrary to logic) does inevitably degrade into the behavior of the doomsday cult, in the same way that a seed inevitably becomes a plant given the conditions that it latently seeks out. So while I do not hate your everyday type Christian, I do think it is important not to create the conditions that they seek out, as that will result in a hate-worthy entity before long. The particular conditions, I believe, are an environment where they cannot be questioned, an environment where logical thinking is not valued, an unequal ability to disperse their beliefs while others cannot, etc. Given those conditions, harmless beliefs will expand to become harmful beliefs in the same way a liquid conforms to whatever container you put it in. This goes for any kind of belief, not just religious ones. But religion is a smart enough meme to encode the importance of creating that environment as part of its core values, which makes it a belief that is at especially greater risk of degrading into harmful behavior. This much is undeniable, as you hardly ever see people getting in doomsday cults over their favorite type of cheese or other non-religious beliefs.

        So no, I don’t mean all Christians, but in the same way that all Christians think I deserve to go to hell in my current state but may still treat me with kindness in hopes of what I may become, I believe all Christians deserve to be treated with suspicion and wariness in their current state in hopes of what they may NOT become. All things considered, I think it’s a pretty de-escalating stance for me to take.

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    You guys, we have the best opportunity. Next time they hold a Rapture, we all just go completely cold turkey silent for like, three days. Let them all think they’ve been left behind. Then we all come back to social media and the rest of the real world on the third day like, “whoa, that was so cool, what was your favourite part of it?”

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    Well I went to heaven, just as predicted. Let me tell you: it is GREAT up here. And free WiFi too, as you can see.