I’m talking about those youtube videos.
Feels like lowkey copaganda to me.
What do you expect, do you want a crime documentary to sympathize with the criminals?
Occasionally they take the “investigation bungled by police” angle, but that’s the exception rather than the rule.
Bailey Sarian takes the investigation bungled by police angle most of the time, but yeah, there is a lot of copaganda around.
People want a story to have a conclusion. People who watch these shows want to know what happened.
And “got away on a technicality” stories sound like they’d be lawsuit magnets.
Yes!
lemmy finds out that the police do more than just appearing in green left weekly articles after beating up a minority
american cops have some of the worst crime clearance rates on earth despite having the largest budgets.
vs some civilized countries:
they put up these impressive numbers while sucking down most of the budget in every town, while abusing minorities and the homeless and anyone else they can. You ever have to deal with cops for insurance when you get robbed? They are making sure you aren’t scamming the insurance company, who they actually work for. They don’t give a fuck about helping you.
Wonder why those leftists aren’t happy with the state of things 🤔
Wonder why anyone could be pleased with it tbh.
Those are cherrypicked numbers. You are comparing COVID America to pre-covid other countries. France dropped from 80% to 50% in 2020
That’s a non-response.
These budgets are still huge, and this performance is still poor.
I always LOVED NYPD Blue growing up because the detectives actually seemed to care. They just wanted to catch the killers/rapists, could give a shit about your parking tickets. They seemed like genuine people who were only looking out for the public. They even went out of their way to keep people out of jail that weren’t involved.
Nope. But I do expect them to call out incompetence, misogyny, racism…
Jeffrey Dahmer was just a hangry dude !
Jeeeeeeffffrrreeeeyy… That kiiiiiills people!
So do the fictional detective shows that are constantly popular for decades now. Propaganda.
But I love my British and Scandinavian detective series. They’re great!
You might like Varg Veum.
Me and partner watch a lot of drama series…crime/detective/cop stuff is so dominant it’s unreal.
I mean it depends which ones are you watching.
True crime series usually deal with crimes where the perpetrator is undeniably guilty, and typically of very heinous crimes. It shows cases where the police is correctly doing what should be their job.
If there are any videos that show “we assaulted a random person on the street” type of police work in a positive way, I haven’t seen it yet.
It shows cases where the police is correctly doing what should be their job.
That’s debatable. I’ve seen a lot of them where they’re interviewing the cop and they say things like “they knew he was guilty in their gut”. I personally don’t think police should be using their gut to investigate crimes. The documentary people only question statements like that if it’s one of the ones about a guy who ended up being innocent.
The cringiest thing is when the narrator overanalyze every movement and portary the body language of the criminal as “telltale signs of guilt”, and if the suspect is innocent (some videos also include arrests of innocent people), the narrator immediately say the body posture are “telltale signs of being innocent”. Lmao wtf. Y’all read the entire story before making the documentary, hindsight 20/20.
Can you name some examples of what you’re watching where this happens? You might like JCS Criminal Psychology on YouTube, he covers forensic interviews and goes into detail on how both the interviewer and interviewee act.
I don’t know why we’re so obsessed with using posture and tone to infer criminality when we have perfectly good forehead slope ratios to achieve the exact same thing.
I’m very anti-police, but the gut instinct and feelings can’t be quantified, it’s a feeling you get after you talk to someone, or hear them speak that says “something feels off and we need to look further into this”.
We’ve all felt it after certain situations. It’s obviously not evidentiary for court, but is a starting point to an investigation. Especially in crazy cases where you may be talking to a person that chops people up in their garage.
Using that tactic on someone with a broken tailight is nonsense though lol.
How often is gut-feeling actually just bias and/or bigotry under the surface though? I feel like we shouldn’t use those gut feelings to make judgements, ever, without examining exactly why we’re having that response. The suspect might just be socially awkward or neurodivergent and that gut-feeling is actually just unexamined prejudice.
“something is off. I feel it…” maybe my dude is on the spectrum, maybe has severe social anxiety, maybe it’s Maybelline.
I agree with you that gut feelings are absolutely important things to acknowledge in general. Unfortunately a lot of people do not let their gut feelings go when presented with further information that contradicts it.
A lot of shows about crime have one cop who had a gut feeling and then dismisses all of the evidence that contradicts it like an alibi or forensics that show it was someone else.
Yup. Plus manufactured drama and entertainment.
When youve only got a hammer, every problem is a nail.
We sometimes watch stuff like this and I will point out when they are coming out with something bullshit.
Like a police officer saying how dangerous escooters are because someone was killed a few months ago by one. Cars kill multiple people a day.
There’s a lot more cars around than Escooters though.
That’s great, but the issue is promotion of this type of media and its bias which favors the police. Your personal experience is encouraging, but does not refute the issue as a whole
There’s nothing in this person’s comment that sounds like they’re trying to refute anything.
I think they can speak for themselves, lol…
JCS criminal psychology is 100% copaganda. It presents cop interrogation techniques as a kind of science, as if the Reid technique wasn’t all about deliberately misunderstanding body language and coercing innocent people to confess.
Skip Intro has a good series on Copaganda. Talks about TV shows/fiction, but a lot of the messaging is the same.
Cops exist to protect property, not you.
If you want a good non-copaganda documentary though, Errol Morris’s The Thin Blue Line is a worthwhile classic.
huh interesting, I always took the vibe of JCS to be “these are the dirty tricks they pull, shut the fuck up and get a lawyer because you won’t win in an interrogation room”
maybe that’s me projecting into it though idk
im just not a fan of the true crime industry. it makes me feel ill
There has been a fair amount of analysis of the social role of ‘true crime’ as a genre. To boil it way, way down, it’s about creating a representation of human evil to let people feel essentially righteous. It is peak centrism, uplifting the status quo by placing it as opposition to the unquestionedly heinous, and with it, current structures, like cops as law enforcement.
This isn’t surprising at all, it seems like a type of selection bias. Most people prefer to see the conclusion of a story, so crime stories where the criminals are caught make better stories. You know what else makes for a better story? Having a cop that was involved give a firsthand account. Bad bumbling cops naturally don’t make it onto these kinds of shows.
My partner and I quit watching these after I pointed out that they usually cover small town murders, and almost every time the crime is eventually solved, it’s because the local police suck it up and finally ask for help from the state or FBI who actually know what they’re doing. Similarly, the videos of cold cases that aren’t yet solved rarely mention any involvement of more competent higher levels of police in the investigation.
Yeah.
If they are actually doing documentary work, they have to suck up to the cops so that the cops will cooperate with them. If they’re too critical, they’ll stop getting help.
If they’re just rehashing Wikipedia or doing reaction content then they’re adding nothing anyway
Copaganda is real
There’s a YT video by Fern that goes over a story about some german cops burning a drunken black man alive and covering it up. Non-copaganda crime documentaries exist, although they’re rare. I love crime media, but I always take it with a grain of salt since the genre is generally pretty biased.
Those videos have actually shown me how often police investigations are an absolute clown show actually
I mean these tend to focus on actual crimes and not like police coverups or misbehavior. I bet though police misbehavior documentaries would get good traffic though. I can tell you there are some good subjects of topic from chicago.
focus on actual crimes and not like police coverups or misbehavior.
I would consider the latter to be actual crimes. But I understand your meaning.
If you like true crime and also someone not afraid to call out when the cops fuck up, I recommend Bailey Sarian. Love her “Honey let me TELL YOU” vibe, but that’ll be a turn off for some people so YMMV.
I don’t recall cops coming up much in Barely Sociable but he’s great too though he hasn’t posted in a while, and his stuff is less true crime and more mysterious stuff in general.
