As per title, I am curious. How does your mind / your thoughts work? I only ever experienced my own thoughts, so I’m curious how it works for other people.
I for one feel like my thoughts sometimes are like me talking to myself silently. Sometimes I can even let out a random short sound, which I’ve come to start disguising by laughing kinda quietly or coughing or whatever. Like it was part of something, and not like an inner monologue almost leaking out.
So, how do your thoughts work?
There was a bit of discussion about this on a podcast I listen to (Adrift) earlier in the year.
My mind is basically me taking to myself. As I write this I’m speaking all the words in my head. As I read it back I’m reading all the words in my head.
I believe there’s a school of thought that you shouldn’t read the words to yourself when you are reading, bit I have to do that otherwise it doesn’t go in. I can read a page without the words being spoken in my head but I will then have no idea what any of the page said, v and have to re-read it. Same if my mind wanders while reading - anything I read whilst my internal voice is talking about something else will not go in.
I can’t shut it up. If I think about nothing, my internal voice will literally be saying “I need to think about nothing. I should empty my mind. How do you think about nothing?”.
It’s extra fun when you know multiple languages since that voice also changes languages
You ever been in a crowded space with hundreds of people talking all at once? You can hear everyone, but not enough to really make out anything except once in a while when someone gets louder than everyone else.
That’s what my thoughts are like when I am not high on weed.
When I am high, the crowd shuts the fuck up and I can actually focus on a single, complete thought.
~just ADHD things~
I have no sound, voice, or pictures in my head. I didn’t know that other people did see/hear things until a couple of years ago. Thoughts just come in chunks.
Me to. It’s called Aphantasia (no minds eye, so some or no pics) and Anendophasia (No inner voice). For me my thoughts are “just there” almost impossible to explain.
The way I explain it is: when you read, you don’t read the words aloud in your head. You look at them and register their meaning. My thoughts are just those meanings. Usually in larger chunks than single words though. They don’t have a language. I can ‘picture’ sounds I’ve heard before though, like getting a song stuck in my head. That one’s more difficult with pictures.
Uuh, yes, yes I do read them aloud in my head.
Same. And depending on what I’m reading I’ll sometimes use a specific voice…
Like if I’m reading a text from a friend I’ll “hear” it in their voice. Or I’ll make up voices for characters in a novel.
I think people are sometimes taught out of that since it slows down reading
This is not a good explanation because as someone already pointed out a lot of (most?) people do “read the words aloud in their head”. For me, I often even make tiny moves of my tongue and larynx - see subvocalization.
Interesting, everyone I’ve told this to said that is indeed how they read!
Does reading something quietly take as long as reading something out loud for you? It’s hard to imagine!
If I read out loud faster than certain limit the pronunciation becomes gibberish. Silent reading is much faster. OTOH when I read out loud, I focus on speech, my attention and hence understanding rate drops. So it takes even longer.
For complicated writing I sometimes even have to re read silently to understand the complete meaning.
If I’m actually reading with the goal of thorough understanding then it will take as long as reading it aloud or longer. I can still skim through the text faster, but I will understand less of it.
The Wikipedia article on subvocalization has a section on speed reading. It seems that subvocalizing can in fact limit the reading speed.
Reading in my head certainly takes the same amount of time as reading out loud (occasionally with different voices for characters, as somebody else said).
If I read without doing that it’s a lot quicker but it doesn’t go in and I have to re-read it. My mind starts chatting away about something else rather than concentrating on the book.
Super interesting, cause for me it’s the opposite! If I try to read it out loud mentally, my mind is (I guess) understimulated and starts to wander, causing me to have to reread it.
Side question: if you give text a voice, what kind of a voice are you giving my comments here? Not just asking you specifically, but anyone who wants to answer!
For me, there is kind of default neutral sounding voice for comments, but as soon as I get some kind of clue as to the speaker, either from language or punctuation patterns or if they say something about who they are- age, gender, nationality, etc., then the voice gets some more distinctive sound to it.
For instance, @[email protected], who is the main poster in several communities I subscribe to, has a picture of Leela from Futurama as her profile pic, and she has mentioned that she’s a she. So obviously when I read a comment or a title she wrote, it’s in Leela’s voice.
Your comment seems energetic and friendly, so the voice is genderless and with a neutral (to me) accent, but with an energetic, friendly tone and cadence.
When I get a song stuck (which happens constantly) I don’t hear it; I just have the unrelenting urge to sing it.
I couldn’t understand what it’s like for people who actually see and hear things in their heads. I recently realized that I sometimes experience a faint taste and I guess it’s sort of like that?
I can taste food ok. Too ok, I seem to be some sort of super taster. Everything is to overpowering.
It scares me to think you could have pictures or movies in your head that you may not wish to have.
I switch between having language based thoughts and more abstract thoughts that aren’t language based. I find that my thoughts that aren’t language based are usually more complex. I also can imagine objects, rotate them or walk around familiar places in my mind. Oh and my language based thoughts tend to match the language I am speaking at the moment (I am trilingual).
There’s three hamsters running on a wheel in shifts up in my skull.
I do have thoughts in words, language. I don’t exactly hear or see it but it’s definitely language based. Often two levels of thought, one superficial and another underneath, thinking about those superficial thoughts.
My mind works by talking to itself, but it’s more like I’m the wordless overseer of that voice. There is a lesser maybe faux alter ego’s voice that’s employed to bounce ideas off of or used for introspection, to humble myself, conceptualization, etcetera, but it can only talk to myself even out loud. If there’s another person present they’re only talking to primary.
Where I differ from many minds like other self talkers here it seems is that I have full control over the two voices employed by my ego, and if I stop talking it’s silent in my skull. Since I also have Total Aphantasia it’s a true void in here besides my emotions and hind brain/instincts unless I’m using the voice(s). No real distinction between thinking in my head and speaking out loud.
The unconscious mind passes stuff it processes to the voices to think about. More nuance is far more paragraphs than worth, so I’ll leave it there.
Wow, I too can silence my mind. I think. Since I often think consciously, I can just stop and enjoy nothingness, which surely is interesting. Sometimes the contrast between thinking a lot and just plain nothing is quite interesting. Can go badly, though, when someone expects me to say something and I don’t have anything to say. They must be on their own side just waiting, thinking I’m crafting something. Meanwhile, if anything, I’m on my side thinking of not thinking, or just plain empty, experiencing the akwardness. It’s been some of the most awkward situations, when I’m done speaking and they wait in silence, like I’m not done yet. Yeah, my answer wasn’t very long, and you may want more, but I’m just done on my side. Do I need to vocalise an End of Line character?
Two of my friends have insomnia because of racing thoughts, which is just a totally alien concept to me. One mitigates it somewhat with meditation, but the way he describes it seems like my natural state of being lol.
Wow, I too can silence my mind
It’s nice to meet another who can!
or just plain empty, experiencing the akwardness.
Yeah it’s a fucking awful feeling, can relate. I loathe traditional dates especially.
Well, sometimes if my mind is too active, I can have a hard time falling asleep. I end up thinking too much or too “hard” and my brain can’t rest. I sometimes just listen to music to fall asleep. As I focus on a song, my mind can drift asleep. Either that or I try and just not think, so my mind can rest. Sometimes I legit gotta go “welp, time to sleep. Silence, now” and just be quiet to try and sleep
I had a serious TBI when I was a kid and more than 15 concussions so my eggs are a bit scrambled.
I can’t sustain a mental image, I can only visualize flashes of things. If I try to hold on to a mental image, it’s just a series of flashes that quickly become warped until the image just kinda dissolves and I have to imagine a new one. I also kinda of can’t remember faces. I can recognize people, but I can’t describe anyone’s face or remember/visualize details. I can only describe my own face as a list of features I’m aware of, but I can’t visualize it nor do I recognize myself in photos.
Verbal thought usually comes in the form of a dialogue between myself and an imagined other person. There’s no one there and I knowingly come up with the question the other will ask, but I can’t just think to myself without quickly losing track.
I also have ADHD, OCD, and major depressive disorder, so I also have the symptoms and episodes of those rattling around up there. I’m not sure if I’d call them thoughts though, because they feel different.
I have prosopagnosia (facial blindness) too. Unless it’s somebody I know really well, I will struggle to recognise them - especially if they are not where I’d expect them to be, or they’ve done something with their hair. I’m better with voices - if they speak I’ll usually work out who they are straight away.
I hold no capacity for mental imagery, so a 5 on the Aphantasia Scale. When I think of things I do not consciously ask a question or engage in an inner monologue, either internally or externally, but instead become aware of the information that I need. My information is all stored with like information, so if you asked me about a person, then I get all of the information I have on that person including our previous conversation as though no time had passed. This makes people uncomfortable though, so I try not to reference things to specifically.
Similar to another poster here, I also hear voices, which range from background murmuring like a crowded restaurant to focused 1:1 interactions, though these are usually very brief. Additionally, I will ‘hear’ various noises and have gotten pretty good at not reacting to stuff until I gauge other peoples’ response.
I am not particularly creative. I cannot draw or create art, but I can recreate things that are in front of me.
I don’t know if that makes sense, and I am happy to answer questions if I didn’t describe it well.
I think as if in duality at times. I’ve come to think of it like the subconscious or one brain half that doesn’t know words injecting impressions, solutions, wants, into my conscious other brain half.
I think I can vaguely grasp how it can be that people have voices or other personalities in their head. I do not, though if my other brain half had developed a voice I’d be fucked. But that’s just how I perceive it.
Well, I do very occasionally tell myself I’m an idiot verbally when a cringy social interaction flashback hits me again. I hate that.
In any case I can visualize memories easily, even if details are unreliable and gaps are often filled with most probable placeholders created by imagination. Similar to dreams perhaps.
I’ve wattched my mind go to different states of self perception which I find interesting and jarring. Sometimes it shows me self perception that I like, which motivates me and makes me happy about myself and confident. Sadly those shifts in perception are hard to keep alive for long, hard as I might try.
My thinking happens in words and images equally, depending on the task. While writing this the right words just come from an unknown source and what I want to say is a concept finding it’s way with these words. As if one part is showing what message I want to deliver in words while a seperate process hands out the right words checking each word if it still conveys the intended meaning.
I analysed this while writing this and now feel like there is an type if LLM setup in my head as a component.
I’m at about level 2 on this scale:
My thoughts are a lot of imagery imagination. There are “words” to go along with it, but there certainly isn’t an extensive monologue/narrative/conversation going on.
I’m a 4-5. Sometimes I can get like a wire frame sketch of the general shape of something.
If I have seen it less than about a hundred times, it is a 5. I will have some key words that let me describe it successfully to other people, but I can’t actually picture it.
If I have seen it fairly regularly for a few years, or haven’t seen it for several years, probably a 4.
If I have seen it for decades, it might be a 3. Apples, which I see at least every few days is a 3.
Hmm I’ve read about aphantasia before and heard shows about it but this diagram actually made me think I may be a 4 or 5. When I try to imagine an apple all I have is flutters of memories of what apples look like, , but I can’t create a picture in my mind of one
My eyes are open and I can still see your comment on screen, but I can also “see” a clear picture of a red apple on a bright sunny day elsewhere in my mind. I can’t explain how I can “see” 2 images simultaneously, but it often means I miss what someone is saying when talking to me, because I’ve started concentrating on my mental image instead.
My thoughts are the bald guy from the six flags dancing 24/7 to the song from the commercial.
MISTER SIX!
The Vengabus… is coming.
I have both voiced and unvoiced thoughts in my head, depending on what “level” the “thinking” is at. Like others in this thread, I heard every word of this comment as I typed it, as well as a few other times as I ideated and rephrased it before typing. However, some things, particularly practiced things, just happen without any “speaking”, and I just get a notion of the end result. This sometimes leads to a weird thing where, when I’m concentrating on something, both the voiced and unvoiced “threads” will do the same thing, but the voiced thoughts move at the speed of speech, and so the unvoiced thoughts get there first, and then have to wait for the voiced thoughts to catch up. I then get to wonder why I just thought the same thing twice, and why I waited for the voiced thread to finish at all when I already knew the outcome. It’s also not always just my own voice (though usually), I’ll set up “straw-men” to represent a certain viewpoint or person if something needs that level of consideration, or I want to prepare for a difficult conversation (or reflect on one that went poorly) - I’ve seen memes about similar things, so I think that’s pretty usual.
Similarly, when reading, I hear every word (not always in my own voice, characters and narrators sometimes get their own), but if I really get into the flow then parts will move into the unvoiced stream and I get much clearer images of what’s going on (I’m a 1-2 on the aphantasia scale depending on concentration and familiarity) - that state is hard to get to, though.
No idea if any of that’s normal or not, I’ve never really thought to talk to anyone about it.
Also, I occasionally have a small part of the inner monologue slip out as whispered speech too, like you said, though I don’t tend to cover it up, if people ask I just say “oh, sorry, just thinking out loud a bit”.
Edit: added more detail
I’ve definitely had the internal thoughts “leak” like you’re describing. I tend to think in almost another space outside of myself where sometimes I will forget my senses and have to actively return to them. Like I’m walking away briefly from the drivers seat to go take care of something in the back of the truck. I tend not to do this with others around as it can be rude. With others, I’m much more stream of consciousness.
