The MDHS State Disbursement Unit is the Child Support department. Dude went nuts because he doesn’t want to pay child support. What a POS.
One of their biggest things they’re always trying to do is “discharge” theur child support.
Yeah they are. But fun fact, garnishments and liens work just as well without an INTERNATIONAL TREATY and a surprising number of these loons still work and own stuff.
Yes but they’re their own country, and the USA needs to form a treaty to have say in their business, unless they’re “travelling” or receiving welfare or benefit in some other way
And I imagine thEy had no contract with the child in question
“I don’t have anything to do with that kid! Why should I have to pay child support?”
Unfortunately I know people like that in real life, who don’t seem to understand that the child support is largely because they want nothing to do with their kid
What if before birth they prove that they wanted the child aborted?
If they are forced to be pregnant with it, that’s their choice.
Have you ever spent nine months with a pregnant woman? They don’t do it because it’s fun.
That’s not how it works.
Of course not, I’m asking if that’s how it should work?
Child support isn’t meant to punish a parent that’s no longer in the child’s life. Even if thats the end result, it’s meant to support the child.
Because of the bodily autonomy argument there won’t be true equality surrounding pregnancy because nobody has (or should have) weight of decision of whether to carry the child except for the person who does so.
But if a child is brought into the world as a result, it needs to be supported. And that’s the responsibility of the parents- willing or not.
I think that if male birth control becomes safe and available it will be much closer to equality.
No, it should not. When two consenting adults have sex without protection, the resulting pregnancy shouldn’t be the sole problem of the woman.
She is the only one granted the choice to end the responsibility. The father is left with massive financial responsibility for 18 years, that the mother had the choice to prevent. This even occurs in cases of rape.
Your logic is fundamentally flawed. In several ways. I see several people arguing with you ineffectively because they assume you are arguing in good faith or have a coherent position… Neither of which I am convinced you possess.
In the US (and most of the world) it is a fundamental right of bodily autonomy that any individual is not subjected to any forced medical situation in the support of another person’s life, regardless of that person’s age, gender or relationship with the other person. Even if we agreed on when personhood happens (I assume we disagree on it) at no point must one person give up their bodily rights for another. If you provide a special case for pregnancy then we are in a discussion of if your inconsistent belief structure is valid.
Your logic is fundamentally flawed. In several ways. I see several people arguing with you ineffectively because they assume you are arguing in good faith or have a coherent position…
You’re free to disagree with me, but everything I say on here is in good faith.
In the US (and most of the world) it is a fundamental right of bodily autonomy that any individual is not subjected to any forced medical situation in the support of another person’s life, regardless of that person’s age, gender or relationship with the other person.
Yep, I agree.
Even if we agreed on when personhood happens (I assume we disagree on it) at no point must one person give up their bodily rights for another.
I have no strong opinion on when personhood happens, I simply don’t know.
If you provide a special case for pregnancy then we are in a discussion of if your inconsistent belief structure is valid.
A special case for what? You never expressed your disagreement with me.
If they were going to want the baby aborted, they shouldn’t have had sex without a condom. You don’t get to cum inside someone and then tell them what to do with it. Your jizz, your problem.
My parents were using a condom lmao. They’re not perfect.
I only agreed to get my dick wet, your child support contract is invalid
“I DO NOT HAVE AN INTERNATIONAL TREATY WITH YOU” is about to be my go to line to get out of uncomfortable situations.
I love this assertion by them. Because it’s them saying they are an independent nation. But they are living on or within the US’s declared borders and do not have a treaty as the American Indians do. Therefore they’d qualify as invaders or secessionist and the US military/immigration authorities should have jurisdiction to prosecute them. Afterall, this Sovereign Citizen is currently abroad in another country.
I still like, “YOU’RE NOT MY SUPERVISOR”
“THIS IS NOT MY BEAUTIFUL WIFE”
“THAT’S MY PURSE”
A lovely chinese dinner, you say?
Succulent.
True. True.
I’ll leave it up to own my shame.
I DO NOT KNOW WHO YOU ARE
I DO NOT UNDERSTAND YOUR INTENT
Bullshit. You know that mail is regarding the child support payments you’re trying to weasel your way out of.
They are always asking how to “discharge” child support on the sovcit groups.
Is there no counter narrative of unsatisfied customers who chime in on every post to say “I tried this nonsense in family court and the judge took my kids gave my ex sole custody!”
No, those users are banned from the forums.
Hard to get Internet access in prison
One of those was a census. How tiny is their world if they don’t know what a census is, and who sends them?
What is census? And who’s sending it?
(asks non usa-an)
Out of curiosity, does your country not have a census? I would have guessed every country does to have accurate information about their populace.
Sorry, yes it has every 10 years, it’s just english is not my native langusge and I never used(heard/saw) census so I was confused.
In my hellscape there are three sources of information about who lives in country
- Registration in police
- They also issue internal pasports
- I think foreigners register there too
- Their registration is used by election committees
- Registration is based on place where you live(permanent for your home and temproary for stuff like hotel, camping site, prison…)
- Civil registration?
- They give birth and death certificates
- They also keep track of citizenship
- And marriages
- Census
- They knock on doors and write whatever what said by people
- They ask foreigners only 7 questions and 33 questions for citizens
- If you say you are unicorn mare from Equestria they will write that here lives unicorn mare from Equestria
- It is used to get factual information about what people live here
- They don’t ask pasports or any other document
Participating in census is not mandatory here. If you make census mandatory it will probably be no better than existing beaurocracy and defeats purpose of getting on-ground truth.
No that was digitalized like twenty years ago.
How? Is it China? I can’t imagine real digitalized census without China level of surveillance.
I, uh, happen to be an expert in censuses.
The US of course tries to get everyone to respond, and sends people out to follow up with people who don’t respond, such as this sovereign citizen in the original post. (The picture is of the 2020 Census envelope and as such is ~4 years old, by the way.)
Some European countries do an administrative records census, wherein they know who is in the country based on passport control, birth and death records, and so on. These censuses have the (admitted) flaw that someone who is in the country illegally would almost certainly not be counted, but on the flip side they are MUCH cheaper and faster than the US-style census. It’s basically just running an SQL query on the database.
Other countries do a mix of the two. Even the US uses administrative records sometimes, if good data is available, and they can’t get a response another way.
The US’s situation is more complex than many countries, because driver’s licenses (which serve as IDs) are issued by the individual states, not the federal government, and relatively few Americans ever get a passport. So, the closest things to a “master list” of people in the US that the government has are things like IRS and Social Security records - but those have flaws, too - for example, they don’t count legal visitors.
I do not know what China et al do to complete their censuses.
If your serious, it’s something we do every few years to see how many people live in the US (like how many people live at your house), what race and gender you all are, income and that sort of thing. Basically it just gives the government a general idea of how many people live in the US, whether or not they are citizens and other social and economic shit. You fill them out anonymously and it only effects general population reports and stuff, it doesn’t really effect you personally. It’s pretty much only used for statistical purposes.
I think the MDHS one is Mississippi child support and this “sovereign citizen” is a deadbeat parent (surprise).
I do not know who you are and I do not understand your intent
My dude, the name of the organization and the stated intent of the letter is literally in the envelop you’re writing on top of.
The best thing about sovereign citizens is they’re the only ones not in on the joke.
And they so persistently do not understand why their BS doesn’t work.
Honestly their BS does kind of work they just seem unable to grasp that all the things they’re saying also apply to everyone else. They don’t have to aknowledge their electricity providers authority to charge them for electricity and the electric company doesn’t have to keep supplying it. Its like some kind of extreme narcisicm.
'Cept in most locales you have to maintain your home’s “habitability status” to not get it condemned, which requires having a functional electrical supply. And usually also working plumbing, heat, some manner of cooking apparatus, and a refrigerator.
“Muh Freedumb!” aside, these types of code requirements were as I understand it at least initially put into place to prevent slumlords from charging rent for an “apartment” that has access to none of the above.
Anyhow, if you really don’t want to pay electric bills it’s really not too tough to get yourself some solar panels or something. Somehow that never occurs to these people. There are counties out in the boondocks where you are permitted by law to live fully off the grid if you feel like it, so maybe they ought to move there and quit bothering everybody with their nonsense.
I think water and sewage are required but I don’t think electricity is because a property is technically habitable without power. As long as there is not a vulnerable person confirmed living at the address. I mean it all seems a bit arbitrary, but apparently those are the rules.
I think it’s mostly about making it unpleasant for squatters without violating their human rights too much. It straddles the line but not too badly.
This is another one of them there varies by state/county/city things. Where I live you must be connected to the grid. This causes problems for people who don’t want to be connected to the grid, i.e. they have more than enough solar or windmill and battery capacity to not require it from a functional standpoint. But the county forbids you from not paying the local electricity monopoly their monthly bribe.
This is relatively recent – as of the last 4 or 5 years or so. The power company now helpfully charges a “connection fee” if you use 0 kWh, which started happening exactly at the same time the law was passed to make it illegal not to be connected to them. I can’t help but conclude that these two facts are not coincidental.
That’s a lot of magik incantations right there or plain old ignorant wishful thinking - I’m not sure which.
I did know a guy that tried to be a sovereign citizen. He was never the brightest wick in the candelabra and was also a huge conspiracy nut and misinformed health nut ever. Overall, he was pretty harmless and never caused anyone any problems. Just a really strange guy.
> Refuses to open letter
> I DO NOT UNDERSTAND YOUR INTENT
Ok, buddy.
If they don’t open it they can’t have read it and therefore aren’t bound by what’s in it. <- sovcit logic
I mean, that does work. Unless the letter is sent certified mail, it’s not guaranteed to arrive. It could be lost on the way so they can’t prove you got it.
Of course if you write all over it and post it online then you clearly got it.
“Not a US citizen”
Okay, so GTFO if you’re renouncing your citizenship. And don’t use any public roads or services as you’re leaving…
Just deport them, and since they have nowhere to go, I guess that means throw them in the ocean?
doesn’t US charge you for giving up your citizenship too?
Yup, its an old Civil War era law for folks who tried to avoid dying in the Civil War by moving to Canada. Reasoning was, if you wanted to draft dodge you could support the war financially instead. Then during the early 2000s as folks who graduated college at the wrong time and ended up more college debt than they can ever pay off started moving abroad to escape it, they increased the fee and took other steps to make renouncing more difficult since expats were renouncing their citizenship to stop owing taxes in the US
ended up more college debt than they can ever pay off started moving abroad to escape it, they increased the fee
Short version: USA wanted slaves
to stop owing taxes in the US
I’m not a lawyer and I’m not from US, but I’m pretty sure this is not how it works.
I’m not a lawyer and I’m not from US, but I’m pretty sure this is not how it works.
Ah but it is. The US is, as far as I know, the only country who taxes its citizens who are living abroad. And yes, it is as stupid and shitty as it sounds.
It’s a shame because I agree with them in principle (I don’t feel like a UK citizen, I feel like a human) but they seem to lack awareness of reality. Yes, the government is overbearing and an unjustified power in your life, no that doesn’t mean you can pretend they don’t exist and not face consequences. I wish it were that easy
I bet their car is a fucking sight.
It’s their vanifesto
Is this the kind of people who post disclaimers in social media that “unauthorize” the company running said social media from using the “content” they post there?
Or add a cc license to their Lemmy posts
That shit made me cackle when I saw it
Should these “sovereign citizens” be arrested and put in illegal migrant camps the minute they set foot on public roads, or should we reserve that VIP treatment only for brown Spanish-speaking people?
All rights reserved, “without prejudice”.
Are you sure about that, buddy?
“I’m a sovereign citizen your laws don’t apply to me, except when they pertain to rights that I like”
I wouldn’t mind the movement too much if they actually practiced what they preached and went and lived on some large ranch somewhere in the middle of nowhere and grew all their own food and never left.
They pretend that it’s like going back to basics hunter gatherer lifestyle, but really it’s just about not paying taxes.
Meanwhile me, “No one by that name has lived here since at least X” or “No such business at this address, the LLC was dissolved in 2017”. I get a lot of credit card offers for previous owners and businesses they sat up. Sometimes for businesses that haven’t existed in years.
“All Rights Reserved”
But none of the responsibilities.
Also, “I’m only affected by international treaties because I’m a Sovereign Citizen” and "This correspondence is illegal duo to US law Title 18 1341&1342.”
The all rights reserved line confuses me the most here. Where and to what are they asserting copyright?
Are they claiming copyright on all that gibberish that they copied from a webpage somewhere or are they claiming that MDHS and the Census Bureau are violating copyright by printing their name and address on the letters?
Without a treaty with Mississippi (which I don’t think a state can enter into an international treaty to begin with) or the US Government, this chucklefuck can’t really assert that they want their copyright protected and enforced by the US when they are claiming that the US violated that copyright (still don’t know what is supposed to be copyrighted).
Another thing always frustrates me with this stuff is that anyone who has watched the news in the past 40 years should be well aware that the US and plenty of other countries don’t really give a shit about sovereignty unless there’s a treaty, a bunch of nuclear weapons, a big ass military, or a powerful economy protecting it.
They’re trying to claim copyright for what they wrote on the letter, so it can’t be shown to any third party without their permission.
That way it’s impossible to prove in court that they received the notice, cause the judge isn’t allowed to see it.
