I’m schizophrenia and autism. I am a convicted sex offender and am being strongly told I must take the testosterone block medication andracur. Do you think I should be able to refuse.
I’m schizophrenia and autism. I am a convicted sex offender and am being strongly told I must take the testosterone block medication andracur. Do you think I should be able to refuse.
Schizophrenia, autism and a history of sex offences? No, you should definitely have to follow certain rules.
It is not rules its chemical castration
What jurisdiction? I don’t think it’s required, usually its an alternative punishment instead of prison. So I think you do have a choice of just being in prison for a long time (but that still doesn’t solve the issue with your brain, so you would reoffend if you ever get out).
I’m not gonna blame people. I don’t believe in free will, so I know its not like you’re trying to harm people, its just brain chemicals. But here’s the thing. Imagine, there’s a defect in someone’s brain that makes them wanna kill people, and there’s a medical procedure that stops that from happening. Do you think they should be compelled to have the procedure, so they can re-intergrate in society? (I mean, the alternative is life imprisonment)
Its like a computer with malware, if tge malware isn’t removed, it has to disconnected from the internet so it stops spreading. (“disconnecting from the internet” is imprisonment in this analogy) It’s not your fault you have a defective brain, but society doesn’t trust you to be going around without being cured.
Your right I can refuse but I got beaten up in prison 8 weeks ago and am in hospital recovering. When I’m well enough I am going to a rehabilitation centre for a few weeks and then back to prison. My legal team say if while in rehabilitation I have the chemical castration it would go for me maybe not going back to prison
Well do you want to go back to prison?
“Chemical castration” is a way more loaded phrase than “testosterone blocker.”
There’s a fucking bunch of people on Lemmy who would probably pay to get test blockers. Most likely trans girls and femboys, but trans girls want also to have estrogen. I’ve even seen a completely cis man ask about testosterone blockers because they may help with male pattern baldness. So he was sitting on the fence about test blockers because he wanted the chance to keep his hair a bit longer. The negatives he was told was a somewhat muted libido, but it doesn’t completely go away.
You’re considering the same choice as his, but he was willing to give away of his horniness just to preserve hair, and you won’t do it to keep yourself from being beaten as a nonce in prison?
Cmon man. It’s not actual castration, it won’t change who you are, but when you get horny (which won’t happen as often), the lust will be easier to control. And seeing that you’re saying you’re a sex offender pedophile, that’s probably a good thing.
Sexuality urges aren’t like a limb. You won’t notice they’re gone. It’s not like you’ll be emotionally horny but unable to perform with a limp dick. No, you won’t have the horniness in the first place. And you won’t look at things which used to make you horny (and by God keep it to yourself whatever it is) and go all depressed thinking those good looking xyz used to make me horny. You just won’t notice it as much.
Or so I assume.
Like I’m comparing how horny I was ~23-24 years ago to how horny I am now. Eyes would just be drawn to asses and butts everywhere. Now don’t get me wrong I appreciate a beautiful woman walking by, but I’m not drooling after every single female.
I never did anything criminal but I definitely did some silly stuff because of show horny I was. And if it had landed me in that sort of trouble, I’d definitely rather listen to the doctors than get shanked in prison.
You’ll be traumatised in prison. And you’ll be the absolute lowest of the low because of being a sex offender.
You’re still very young.
It’s not even likely that the treatment will cost you your fertility as long as you’re not made to take it for like 3+ years. And because you’re still growing (young people can often respond to treatment relatively rapidly because brains are still so neuroplastic).
That’s andracur.
Don’t use the loaded word. You’ve just a bit too much testosterone. So they’ll even it out so you can control yourself. Listen to your lawyers and your doctors and don’t fiddle with any more kids. (I’m responding because I hope this is more ephebophilia and not actual pedophilia and not a troll.)
Here’s a little lighting the mood for the end
R. Kelly is not a p*dophile (technically speaking) | Gianmarco Soresi | Stand Up Comedy
Ok. I’m really not thinking to strait tge moment. I had to have a feeding tube up my nose for 4 weeks cos my jaw was smashed. Problem is I don’t think I will avoid going back to prison even if I do start on the meds. My sentence is 9 years and I’ve only done 3. There is no deal on the table I think that they will want me on it for at least another 2 years before release is considered
If the lawyers say there’s a chance, then try leaning on it?
As in try to actually accept the idea that — no offense — diagnosis aren’t an excuse, and you do need to take personal responsibility, and the way you can show that now is trying to understand that you are indeed sick in the sense of lacking understanding and being too horny, or whatever it may be.
If you accept the treatment instead of being very critical of it, it might change your chances.
My point here being that if it’s even an option, why not take it?Because I think “chemical castration” sounds a lot more emasculating than they actually are. They won’t change your soul, you’ll just have the ability to think more clearly when your brain isn’t hijacked by lust.
And in a few years, that’ll even out naturally. And especially if you get help as well.
Can’t you ask to go to committed care, at least for a few years of the sentence or smth, idk.
I’m not a lawyer and I don’t know what you did but justice and mental illness definitely aren’t served or treated by prison beat ups.
2 years in a mental facility could honestly do you good. Maybe try asking people about that idk.
5 years in prison… I don’t know what sort of prison but I’ve not heard good things about any American prisons. And since you already got beaten once…
I don’t know you or what you did but I believe in justice and actual rehabilitation instead of just stupid ass beatings as punishment.
Thanks that’s all good advice. I think Andracur is a lot worse than you think the dose will be high for sure. Definitely hope I don’t go back in gen pop again but in my state they don’t like pedophile convicts and the guard ard on tge take
Well yeah the dose will be different than than someone treating a mild case of backne, sure.
But the worst symptoms would perhaps be a bit of moobs and a softer skin.
Rather that for a few years than getting beat up, surely? Because even if you had to take them for a full two years in committed care with some psych meds and you’ll be a somewhat zombie with small moobs, you’ll still get out well before you’re 30 and then just exercise a little bit and moobs gone and natural test isn’t on the level of “can’t stop myself from committing sex crimes” and you’ve gained a few years of tools for phycological management from the treatment.
I know it’s not what you want, and it feels like something essential is taken from you, but honestly, you probably do have a bit too much testosterone and you might actually like the calming effect.
I don’t know about the dosage, but that’s always something you can disuss, even if doctors aren’t that openminded to advice from mental health patients (trust me I know), I’d still rather take them than prison any day.
Hell the week or two I spend in a locked ward was actually a nice vacation. And I genuinely spoke myself out after the involuntary 72 hour hold. On a Sunday (the doctor didn’t enjoy coming in) but I got out. Then I realised I was still way too messed up and went back the next day. This was locked ward for drug related psychosis and whatnot, although mine was as much from a burnout as the LSD but anyway.
I’m sure the US has psychiatric hospitals and they’re pretty much like prisons, but nowadays nicer I’d imagine. I may be a 1000% wrong on that but given how liberal the US is with medicines and how bad the prison culture is, I’d take my chances with a psychiatric hospital if at all possible.
OK, 2 years or 6 years then?
Anyway, your legal team has said there is a chance. Only one way to find out.
Really, what are you going to loose? Excessive sex drive?
Look, if you did a sex offence you persecuted someone else. You are not persecuted because of that, and thinking you are might just be the schizo.
Other posters here are going to think you should die, or even die in a nasty way, and in most times and places that’s what would have happened. Chemical castration is a good deal by that standard.
https://sites.uab.edu/humanrights/2024/10/31/why-the-death-penalty-wont-stop-sexual-violence-against-women-in-south-asia-and-might-make-it-worse/
Eh, idk man. I’d hate to encourage rapists to murder. Also, you’re kinda asserting you know what everyone else thinks.
You’re arguing against a position I didn’t actually take. I pretty much just intended a reality check for OP there. People hate sex offenders and fear schizophrenics.
I’d put money on someone thinking that. More likely than not someone will even post it. Sure, it is a guess though.
I mean, the first reply included “it’d be better to stop breathing”.
I’m not arguing against anything you said.
I merely pointed out that the death penalty given for anything less than murder usually incentivises making lesser criminals murderers than deterring from the crime they commit.
There was a text on it since like the 1600’s-1700’s, though it talked about why it’s not wise to hang burglars.
Oh I’m sure you’re right, but are you saying that in a “people think ‘he should’ve died’ in a rhetorical way” or a “people actually think there should be the death penalty enacted for what he did”. I believe more the former and plenty the latter, but I wouldn’t say “most” for the latter.
Plenty of people who are against the death penalty, no matter the crime. Probably depends a lot on the context of the community. As in there’s more supporting it in the US for sure than in the Nordics, where it’s not been used for a while.
Etc etc.
Anyway thought it a good point to add.
Tldr if burgling/raping carries the sentence of death and you’ve already committed the crime, better make sure there are no witnesses because adding murder on top won’t matter since they can’t kill you twice.
Oh, okay. Brought up out of the blue like that it seemed like you were suggesting I was in the picture. I actually tried to reach out as non-judgmentally as possible there, given the context.
Ah yes, I actually have seen that passage, although I can’t find it now. Punishing theft with death was actually particular to Germanic cultures IIRC. Even most ancient people thought that was stupidly harsh.
Hmm. I wonder if this could be an argument against life sentences, too, since they’re similarly hard to add on to.
I deliberately didn’t specify, since it would have involved a digression, but I’d guess the same. People talk mad shit on the internet.
It’s relevant to the topic, not out of the blue.
Not exactly, because things change, and don’t the US serve convictions of like 3 consecutive life sentences so that it’d just a very surreal way of making sure they stay in jail?
Here in Finland “life” usually means was it 12 or 14 years, after which the president usually pardons you. But some of the more heinous murderers with several victims didn’t get the parole but that’s rare.
So if you had already murdered two people but it was like here and there how murdery you were instead of it being seconds degree murder or something, you definitely would have something to lose if you killed another dozen people.
But we don’t really get many mass murderers. Population is small and while there’s homicide it’s usually knives and like an angry spouse or smth.
Sure… I’m asking whether you think there’s a big difference in people who would say “kill the fucker” and people who would actually stand behind advocating for the death penalty for him, irl, if needed.
Well, we’re in a thread talking to a convicted pedophile, so I’ll refrain from judging morally. TBH I’ve found the more factual I am on the internet the better it goes.
There’s a difference between saying it and genuinely believing it, yes. Although, most people aren’t actually going to decide if they’re serious until they have to, because ethical analysis of the criminal justice system isn’t a typical interest. It’s more of a spectrum of seriousness, really.
Yes, that is a thing. Legal fictions are funny.
Chemical castration is preferable to how most people think you ought to be punished so I’d take the medication bro
I get that so thanks