Serious answers only. For over a year I was told that trump “doesn’t have anything to do with that”.
I honestly need to know from an actual Republican who believed trumps words and is now witnessing p2025 almost hit 50% completion with the department of education getting dismantled.
And with that; how do these people feel that public schools, daycare centers and tech schools all going to cost 3-6x as much as it does now for tuition?
Most are fine with it. Remember the people that died of covid denying it existed the whole time? That’s the type. They’re dumb af.
People who have never experienced oppression just thinking it’s business as usual.
Wearing a mask ain’t oppression either 😂
That’s part of the problem, a lot of people don’t realize they are the oppressors
The other part is the ones that do.
And all of those people who had family die from covid and still thought masks were a form of thought control
What do we call the Herman cain award now?
i forgot about that haha.
Not quite about just project 2025 but Nate Silver from what used to be 538 has Trump aggregated disapproval rating at 49.8% as of 03/20/25. That up from 40% in 2 months.
Source: https://www.natesilver.net/p/trump-approval-ratings-nate-silver-bulletin
Just for some perspective: in 2009 I was a Christian nationalist and I thought Obama was going to use FEMA to imprison conservative dissenters and would turn the US into a communist dictatorship. I hoped and prayed for an explicitly Christian government and an end to most federal programs. If I had the same worldview now, I would be orgasmically happy with the way things are going.
Pray tell what changed your view?
Reality
How in the name of sweet baby imaginary white Jesus did you get out of that mindset!?
I’d also be interested in hearing about how you changed your views.
Not even trying to be mean but probably themself or someone they know personally got hurt.
I wrote a novel in reply to HarkMahlberg above.
You’re very unlikely to get a response from a Republican on Lemmy
Truth.
Some will call Lemmy an echo chamber. Personally, I don’t give a damn. Sharing platforms with far-right lunatics is a deeply unpleasant experience.
It would be one thing if we were debating different ways to solve health care, education, incarceration, mental health, homelessness, wealth inequality, or something else.
While I personally think the right is wrong in their solutions I’d be happy to debate them.
But the right isn’t talking about these issues or solutions for them. You can’t have a debate when you’re talking about two completely different things.
Not just different things, but whether those things even exist
Like, I’m all about debating the best approaches to fighting climate change. I’m not about debating whether it exists.
You can’t debate solutions when you disagree about what the problem is
Especially when they think your views are the problem.
I don’t need dumbass opinions in any chamber I’m occupying, Republicans can stay gone for all I care
I like to fuck with em when I can. Keep the space hostile to them, it worked for punk bars it works for us.
Keep the space hostile to them, it worked for punk bars it works for us.
I like to fuck with em when I can. Keep the space hostile to them, it worked for punk bars it works for us.
Heh come make a meme or 2 on [email protected] though I will admit it’s a tad less fun without actual conservatives to downvote, but it’s still fun lolol
I don’t mean to criticize what you’ve done with the place, but I do think it might’ve been interesting to have something that purported to be a sincere community for conservatives but that wasn’t moderated as a ‘safe space’ for them.
Shout out to Turbohaüs in Montreal
As much as I can understand your point, it’s a truth that if you can argue against your beliefs, you have a full understanding of both sides. You should be well versed in order to provide a solid understanding. Just as one side wants the other to hear reason, there has to be a common ground somewhere.
That’s fantastic advice. Every now and then you gotta check yourself. Those MAGA folks don’t know they’re brainwashed, and honestly, neither would any of us. Nobody is too smart for propaganda!
Oh great Garfield of the lasagna, share with us your wisdom.
But my government says so.
Those MAGA folks don’t know they’re brainwashed, and honestly, neither would any of us.
I challenge this line of reasoning. All that is required is asking the question “is that true?”, then attempting to answer that question. There are very few modern conservative talking points that cannot be riddled with holes via 10 min of googling. I understand that people of western society have had our attention robbed of us, but all that is required is a desire to know the truth. They don’t. They want to have an interesting story that triggers their emotions. I will not abide apologies for anyone still supporting the MAGA agenda.
Oh for sure. I did a deep dive into Fox News to try to understand where they were coming from and it’s all just blatant bullshit. And I honestly tried to find at least one valid argument that I probably wouldn’t agree with.
Just gotta check every now and then.
Understanding the other side doesn’t mean there will be a common ground. Understanding nazis doesn’t mean there is common ground to share with them.
The problem is literally that people keep labeling anything slightly right of genderqueer marxist-lenninist a “nazi”. There’s plenty of common ground between what Lemmy considers a “Nazi” and actual Nazis.
Exluding intolerance doesn’t result in an echo chamber.
Truth
Even if you got a response it will likely not be genuine. They’d rather save face than say they were wrong.
“What do you mean you arent forced into 2 sentences max and have to structure your thoughts ??2?”
More like “how do I make an account? I give up. Fucking immigrants ruining my signup process”.
And very unlikely to get a serious response about P2025. They just have no response
I live surrounded by republicans and they are super happy with all the good things Trump is doing together with puppet master Musk. Everything that he said during his fake State of the Union was truth and proof of his many victories during the first 2 months of his presidency. I tried once to bring up how the tariffs are sales tax for Americans (making life even more unaffordable), because I thought that would be something nobody could disagree with, and weeks later I’m still getting shit about it. I am convinced that he could launch a nuke on a ‘lib city’ and most of the republicans would still applaud it. In a cult the leader is always right and is never to blame for the bad.
It’s crazy. How many Democrats do you know that had Joe Biden profile pictures? I know people can’t tell their in a cult usually. But man they make it obvious most of the time.
I appreciate you taking the time to write this post, and I appreciate you noticing this trend.
But I’ve got to be honest: the writing was on the wall the whole time. Being in the Republican bubble doesn’t really change the fact that you only get here from a lack of critical thinking and a general susceptibility to propaganda. These are things that many people spend time and resources getting educated about. It’s hard to have sympathy when the whole country is now suffering because so many were so sure they knew better.
If I sound angry, I am. I do hope you take it constructively, but you also need to understand: most of the damage has already been done. It doesn’t really matter how you feel from here on out, because the deed (from voters) is done.
I voted for Harris lol, and that was because I thought she was the lesser of the two evils overall. I wish Michelle Obama ran for office.
Then how was it that you “believed Trump’s words”?
Reread the post, or remove the period
I’m really digging the irony of this thread…
What?
At this point, I don’t know why Republicans don’t outright just say they want people who they see as less than them suffering and/or dead. That’s their only consistent political view.
I don’t know any republicans personally but I would not be surprised if, given a choice between admitting fault and feeling bad, or literally any other option including lying or violence, they won’t admit fault. If they weren’t emotionally stunted, they wouldn’t be conservatives.
This is why blaming conservatives or getting them to admit fault doesn’t work. It only makes them become more defensive and entrenched.
A better approach is to appeal to their victim complex. IE: Instead of “Trump is ruining this country and its your fault for voting for him!” try “Dude, Trump is screwing us! This isn’t the great America we were promised!” or some variation of that. Gotta use different tactics.
Yeah, you have to make them see you as a member of a shared in-group. That’s the most important thing to them (and many people, honestly. we’re all susceptible to tribalism and such)
Humans in general are very hesitant to admit that they were wrong. Cult members doubly so.
The older ones are hearing stories of social security being canceled on people like them and they are getting nervous. My vehement Trump supporting co-workers are having trouble backing things he does. The cracks are small and slow but the confidence in their statements of support are getting weaker. I think some support is eroding, but it’s slow. It’s really going to have to affect them more directly for it to fully erode sadly. Though I think it will, the damage the right will inflict in the mean time will change this country for generations.
I have one word:
Eggs.
You can tell it’s hitting, every repub that was loud af about trump this trump that good idea this good idea that. The only thing I’ve heard lately is the CRT stuff that they just don’t understand because they’re unable to see anything from anyone else’s perspective and one of their buddies kids asked their parents about the racist comments they were making and if they were racist.
YouGov has good data
I don’t see any drastic changes on Trump’s approval, but there’s unfavorablity across the board otherwise
https://today.yougov.com/topics/politics/explore/public_figure/Donald_Trump
This is a cool website. Thank you.
According to my neighbors on neighborhood.com, it’s fake news. Seriously. They simply don’t believe Trump has anything to do with it.
Pretty much. Somethings are going to be the same, they’re just that obvious, the sky is blue, water is wet, and we should deport illegal immigrants. But a lot of p25 goes well beyond that.
They don’t think Trump and Musk are doing anything wrong. When quizzed they’ll ask you to name anything they’ve done wrong.
Everything Trump and Musk are doing is guised in Libertarian and Conservative values.So nothing wrong has been done on their eyes.
If you go places like r/JordanPeterson (to ask) and r/Conservative to observe the media landscape - you’ll see that “The Woke” are wrong and have turned violent against Tesla. You’ll see Trump and Musk are thought of as doing great things.
That’s how they think. They’re not in the same media landscape as everyone else is.
That’s how they think. They’re not in the same media landscape as everyone else is.
This is literally the cause of all our issues. Fucking propagandists creating an alternate “reality” for Magoos to exist within where they are the good guys fighting the evil evil communist far left scum.
I can blame a Magoo for being so susceptible to hate filled ppropaganda, but I really REALLY fucking despise the propagandists with every fiber of my being. If there were ever a group of people that deserved a firing squad it would be those like Sean Hannity who know exactly what they’re doing…
But they also think you’re in an alternative reality because of “leftist reactionaries” over blowing things in the media. Some of them would probably go as far to say that “We need anti-propaganda laws against the left wing media”…
…the problem for the left is, the right wing “alternative facts, alternative media landscape” is unfortunately MORE REAL in a legal sense because they own SCOTUS, and SCOTUS want to institute Unitary Executive theory… Which is what they’re doing.
It’s a very clean sounding bunch of words for a kind of fascism.
I think it’s so funny that Republicans have found this magical loophole to excuse just about any action by just saying it’s woke. The second anything is called woke, it instantly must be destroyed and there’s no disputing it because it is just simply too woke. Shit at this point I wouldn’t be surprised at all if Trump said that zelensky and Ukraine has gone woke and they will send military aid to Russia to stop them
When quizzed they’ll ask you to name anything they’ve done wrong.
Why is this a thing? I’ve seen that so many times. “Oh yeah, well name Trump’s indictments” as if they got a trump card.
And, well… uhh there’s a summary right here. What do they expect? Secret knowledge? As if pretending nobody knows that they are gives them leverage? I don’t understand.
They’ll say a mix of “He’s clearly not guilty because nothing stuck! Teflon Don!” and “You shouldn’t go after politicians personal lives” and “Sucks for you he’s President now! You’re just a sore loser.”
…that might make you mad, which they enjoy.
Tell them research into women’s medical conditions (like endometrial cancer) is no longer allowed. I’d love to know how they’d spin that one as positive.
The problem is their spin isn’t designed to be positive or have mass appeal. It’s designed to create fervent followers who are desperate for something different and a sense they’re winning.
In your example I believe the response for them would be something along the lines of “Good, women shouldn’t be getting special treatment anyways - END DEI !!!”
Even though this means men are getting special treatment. Because research into prostrate cancer, for example, hasn’t been banned.
I still don’t see them as Trump’s actual plan.
I’m like one of three conservatives here, do you really expect a response?
Thanks for being honest. What is Trumps actual plan?
Trump’s plan is an attempt at putting America’s economy back on track. Protective tariffs, less “aid” to foreign nations, deporting illegal immigrants, not acting like the world’s police when it’s Europe that will be affected most, that sort of thing.
Contributions to global organisations is what is known as “soft power” - for example, the only time NATO article 5 has been invoked is by the USA after 9/11
And guess what - every other country stood up and came to America’s defence. In the grand scheme of things, it’s a pretty good deal to spend a few million for the billions you get back in cooperative agreements with the rest of the world.
How do you rectify the idea of not being world police with:
"I have signed a declaration to use emergency authorities to expedite the delivery of approximately $4 billion in military assistance to Israel. "?
Or is that somehow different?
I’ve been trying to crack this and it seems impossible. It’s a black box. You can dismantle every policy by looking at it from a certain standpoint and trying to apply your subjective logic to it. But when Zionist Israel is on the table, all logic goes out the window.
We can take the presidents one by one:
Obama - change - doesn’t change anything about relations and policies with Israel
Biden - staunch defender of Israel. Doesn’t matter what they do, he condemns anything and everything bad, but Israel commits genocide and he doesn’t even acknowledge it.
Harris - polls showed that she could have gained massive voter support, had she expressed anything in favour of Palestine and acknowledge genocide, but she decided to lose instead for some reason. Proof of what would win her the election wasn’t enough. She could have lost the Zionist campaign funding and still come out ahead.
Trump - you’d assume he doesn’t care about money because he already has it, doesn’t care about power because he’s literally the president of the most powerful nation. He’s immune to prosecution, so Israel can’t even have something as stupid on him as being a serial child rapist, he’d shrug it off. That stupid Gaza beach resort video. Still doesn’t make sense from fiscal standpoint. He also breaks tradition and protocol on everything.
There could be better allies in the region, and there have been. But it has to be Israel for some reason, in its current apartheid and genocidal state. My only explanation would be that the Zionist government of Israel and the US government are one and the same on some level, somehow, somewhere.
I think the reasoning is very simple: Israel is extremely important in the Bible. Many conservatives like the Bible so supporting it seems good to them. Especially if it’s against Islam which is associated with immigrants and terror.
i was hoping for a response yes. and really hoping for an actual intellectual as well.
so what makes you think it isn’t trumps plan? even though you can follow the progress online of p2025 and trump is checking off each objective.
what do you see p2025 as? and do you think it will make america “awesome again”
I see Trump’s plan as Trump’s plan. P25 holds some similarities, some things are just that obvious, like illegal immigrants should be deported, but it’s not Trump’s plan. P2025 is it’s own thing, some wishlist created by some think tank that got picked up by the news because it’s so stereotypical.
I think that Trump’s plan is an attempt to put America back on the right track economically.
Protective tariffs for instance, are a pretty standard way of protecting domestic industry. It’s expensive to comply with OSHA and labor laws, it’s a lot cheaper to make stuff in China and ship it over here. Tariffs make it so that it’s no longer cheaper. Bernie Sanders agrees, even if can’t directly agree with Trump. https://www.sanders.senate.gov/press-releases/sanders-statement-on-trump-tariffs/
Does p25 have anything on tariffs? No, they don’t.
P25 does have stuff on things like racial discrimination, which no politician in their right mind would support.
Republicans already passed the removal of DEIA in the workforce. Idk how you feel about that but that can be seen as racial discrimination which a lot of Republicans have shown don’t give a shit about. A lot are pro white power, women are baby makers. i also can’t see how someone would think p2025 or “trumps plan” as a good thing. I see no benefits to destroying government agencies with no though or plan before hand. How many times has he fired a department only for him to go “woops . We actually needed those people” and then rehire them? 3?.. 4?. Like what’s the point? A lot of Republicans say “we are finding the fraud, so much winning”. How do you feel saying that or hearing it knowing that trump is convicted of 34 felonies? Was on tape gloating how he walked on in naked 15 year old girls and is an actual fraud to the country?
How do you feel about our administration literally editing the Internet and leaves of history to remove anyone of color or nationality other than white?
How do you feel about doge finding “wasted tax payer money” but trump plays golf with tax payer money? I’m sorry I just don’t understand and no one has ever answered these questions they just deflect. Like you can’t deny trump is a fucking scum bag monster pedophile
P25 literally does have stuff on tariffs and it’s exactly what is happening right now.
It starts on page 765. https://static.project2025.org/2025_MandateForLeadership_FULL.pdf Like literally the entire section from page 765-783 are just about tariffs and how high to increase them.
And an article discussing it https://seekingalpha.com/article/4769053-what-project-2025-tells-us-about-what-will-happen-tariffs-april-2
Tariffs are one way to protect domestic industry.
They are completely useless when that industry does not exist already. When an industry doesn’t exist and you want to build it, you need subsidies, not tariffs.
Do you believe the US has sufficient industry to protect? Or that we should instead be focused on growing more?
Oh no, the lying liar who is best known for lying about literally everything lied and gullible people believed it (or conveniently ignored it, or didn’t care or thought it was just peachy because they thought it wouldn’t apply to them and were perfectly fine with it applying to other people)? Who could possibly have predicted that? Oh wait, I think literally every left wing person in the US predicted that.
Religious conservatives love project 2025. Most Republicans are Religious, so they love it.
Religious conservatives love project 2025. Most Republicans are
Religiousbrainwashed Christofascists, so they love it.
Like it’s their third rail of blow and their homie just picked up another ounce.
