I have seen many comments saying that lemmy.world sucks, and sh.itjust.works is good. I have seen that lemmy.world apparently has a very poor reputation among other instances. Why? After a quick look, sh.itjust.works doesn’t look much different to me. Can anyone explain?
Edit: many good replies. the conclusion I’m drawing is that for my purposes it doesn’t really matter. I appreciate everyone who responded
sh.itjust.works has a much funnier name.
can’t argue with that!
Here’s the description by both:
sh.itjust.works:
A bilingual (EN/FR) general-purpose instance located in eastern Canada! Powered by 99% renewable energy! Everyone is welcome eh.
Lemmy.World:
A generic Lemmy server for everyone to use. (…) Lemmy.World is a general-purpose Lemmy instance of various topics, for the entire world to use
The comments about instances being “good” or “bad” is just plain ol’ tribalism.
Users get attacked for the instances they registered to, even if they were unaware of instance politics when they actually registered. That sucks!
Lemmy world has more users and therefore more likely to have more jerks when the jerk to not jerk ratio within an instance is the same.
There are/were a few instances where staying with their registration is worthy of assuming the worst about them.
The extra jerks on Lemmy world create more content so the mean jerk time is greater
If they were spread between other instances they would have the same total jerk time.
Unless their wife put them in chastity. Then their jerk time would be limited to when she said so…
…did I misread the situation? Everybody’s looking at me funny.
Many libs, racists, and bigots on both
Thanks for adding yourself to my block list :)
A pleasure.
lmao you should add me too, I hate having libs, racists, and bigots reading my posts
I have seen that lemmy.world apparently has a very poor reputation among other instances.
It’s the largest by far, with five times the monthly active population of #2. One of the main things people want out of federated systems is decentralization, and having one huge dominant server goes against that goal.
I should note .world wasn’t the biggest when I signed up. I picked it because mastodon.world was a known quantity, which led me to believe the same team would run a stable server.
lemmy.world had blocked [email protected]
Not jolly, not jolly at all 😕
Join us, sail free in the high seas! lemmy.dbzer0.com
Legitimately the reason I dropped .world and made an account at SJW. I don’t want my instance admins deciding what I do and don’t get to see without my input.
Of course, the SJW admins could decide to block it anyway, at which point I’ll make a dbzer0 account
And what would you do if dbzer0 defederates with dbzer0???
…wait…that’s not right…
.world is the instance where most new users default to so and it has the highest user base and that includes a lot of trolls or just bad faith actors. Also, a lot of .world is based from reddit users who left and they brought that kind of mindset along. Some people don’t like that either.
What does it matter which users are on which server, since we all get the same content anyways, aside from defederation?
we all get the same content anyways, aside from defederation?
We don’t, though. We get whatever content people on our chosen instance have subscribed to. Even without blanket server bans, there are Lemmy-based websites that your host has never heard of, hosting content you do not have access to. Someone from your server has to introduce those sites, and subscribe to the communities on those sites, for your server to have their content.
The fediverse is subscription based. Shit doesn’t get sent around unless it’s specifically asked for.
it really doesn’t. those that make it about server handles are the reason movements fail, like get over yourself, ppl! hexbear came @ me pretty hard for my instance. fuck em.
hexbear is true garbage.
Basically none. Both are mainstream instances, not practicing any extreme moderation policy.
You might have confused lemmy.world with lemmy.ml which does have some communities with bad reputation.
They are just two different servers. Lemmy.World is one of the really big ones. I had an account there but because of the size there were a lot of performance issues. I would recommend you join one of the smaller servers like sh.itjust.works. You have access to almost all the same information on the Fediverse.
You’ll miss out on the Beehaw community on Lemmy.world and sh.itjust.works, since Beehaw defederated from them
Lemmy.cafe is a nice general purpose instance that only defederates from the most extreme instances, while still giving access to Beehaw and all other instances. It’s still small too, so it’d more effectively spread the load compared to creating an account on sh.itjust.works, which already has a pretty huge user count.
If you consider lemmy.ml and hexbear.net “most extreme” then sure.
Lemmy ml are huge terrorist apologists
Considering their main export is genocide and dictatorship apologia, I do
I agree with you. IMO, it’s not that different.
The big difference is between the tankie LARPer instances (lemmygrad, hexbear, parts of lemmy.ml) and the rest of the major instances.
As a socialist, you will understand I’m sure that constant being slurred with “tANkiE” from mostly .world users is very tiring
They never mentioned you or slrpnk
They used a political slur against entire servers and on the left, there is a concept of solidarity.
Solidarity with authoritarians has a long and sordid history of betrayal and being lined up against walls in the end. Anarchists have had to learn that lesson in the most brutal of ways.
Yep. They only tolerate you as long as you’re useful. As long as you don’t push back against their mass incarceration, assassination, and even genocide. Authoritarians are authoritarian first. Left or right is a distant afterthought.
Or socialism.
There’s a difference between being a socialist, and blindly defending authoritarian regimes that claim they are socialist. Those instances earned their reputation for a reason.
Make it a stickie, because barely anyone observes this definition.
I am regularly slurred as Russian bot or a tANkiE when calling for peace and de-escalation of war.
Daily .
Have you stopped to consider that maybe you’re just an asshole?
No, seriously, you’re whining about being called a tankie when… like dude, you’re a tankie. Half your comments are just bringing up how EU/UK support for Ukraine’s defense is a frivolous waste or similar. I doubt you think of yourself like this but to an outside observer you’re deeply toxic.
I doubt you think of yourself like this but to an outside observer you’re deeply toxic.
From my position warmongering is deeply toxic.
No matter how much organizing you do with other anarchists offline, to the .world crowd if you’re to the left of Joe Biden you’re a tankie.
From my position, the jedi are evil!
Man, they weren’t kidding about those federation issues. Just now got the notification here. Listen, you’re not wrong that people are reactionaries, this is the internet. Many people need to either figure out they aren’t welcome, or figure out a less confrontational way to present their ideas (me included, often).
But all that said: there’s a difference between “I think anarchists are largely naive at best” and “This person is a tankie”. I can (and frequently do) disagree with all manner of left-slash political opinions, and I’m perfectly happy to coexist with them since they often have perfectly good ideas that come from a position I disagree with, but can accept.
What I can’t abide, and what the above asshole espouses, is the brainless regurgitation of pro-russian propaganda. Ideas like “enabling the AFU’s continued defense of Ukraine is unconscionable and the guilt for all the innocent deaths lay at the feet of NATO for enabling this war to continue” are what makes someone a tankie, and are what that person keeps saying. That’s the shit they get pushback on (and which they fail to understand the negative reactions to), because they’re too self-centered to realize that Ukranians aren’t some innocent babes in the wood lead astray by a wolf. They are a people who have fought and died, for hundreds of years, to secure their fucking right to choose the fates they make for themselves. The choice to lay down one’s life for a cause they believe in, that they dictate, is one every culture holds absolutely sacred. How many martyred anarchists are there, who’s names live on in the creed of those who come after them? I’m not even an anarchist and I can think of dozens.
A situation has arisen which has lead so, so many to make that choice, and while every life lost here is a tragedy I grieve over every day, infantilizing the people who’s lives are freely given? The people who’s lives are being stolen from them? The ones who’ve been found with their hands still bound, dumped in mass graves? The busses full of stolen children, who will never be seen again?
THAT is what makes this jackass a fucking tankie.
… the root of the problem is your apparent compulsion to call people “toxic” and “assholes” for having different views.
Ah yes, the “no u” gambit. Classic, deadly, refined. The most elegant of rebuttals. A refuge for only the sharpest of wits.
Anyways, do you mean different views like say, someone holding different (and by your own admission, quite common) opinions about how your conduct reflects on your character…?
They’re not calling you that for having different views. They’re calling you that for making up reasons to offend yourself and acting like a toxic drama queen. And the ratio shows they aren’t alone.
And what is your reason for adding your personal attack to this already well populated debate ?
There’s a huge difference between a tankie and a socialist:
- Socialist supports economic policy aimed at just distribution of resources
- Tankie supports fascist-like authoritarianism under a mask of socialism
How you to choose define it changes nothing .
Uh… Yeah, it does. It literally defines the meaning and the context in which the term is used. Thats… how language works. Fundementally.
Goodness me, you are being difficult today.
I think you can appreciate, that no one user’s definition - no matter how agreeable you and I might find it - speaks to everyone’s definition of the same term.
Especially when we are talking about colloquial slur, like tankie, which isn’t in main dictionaries.
Sure, but it does speak to that user’s definition, which is what they were talking about. And honestly, their definition is pretty much the standard. ‘A pejorative term for supporters of authoritarian regimes, particularly communist ones’ is the definition in some form across every site I’ve turned up in the thirty seconds I spent on this. It’s what everyone else in this thread appears to be using. Seems like its pretty agreed on.
Says the person who has massive amounts of Antisemitic hatred and are quite happy to full on blow Putin’s dick whilst spouting his propaganda I’m not shocked you’re being called a Tankie
It’s fair to call people who white-wash authoritarianism, genocide and roleplay as communists tankies.
This is not a matter of different opinions. They openly support the russian invasion, the atrocities of the russian occupation and reject Ukrainian identity and self-determination.
It’s the literal definition of the word.
So far my experience with sh.itjust.works has been shit. I was banned from a community there for “vibes”.
Most servers don’t micromanage community moderation. That sort of thing could happen almost anywhere.
I have accounts on both. Sh.itjust.works has a piracy community that .world blocks and is still federated with Hexbear for some reason. .world has old.lemmy.world if you liked the old reddit UI.
Otherwise, not that different.
Damn. I was considering making a sjw account to see if the better performance claims are true but hexbear is a dealbreaker. Never going back to that crazy cult site. I know I could block it but they’d still see my posts and comments.
The two main reasons people attack LW is:
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people who criticise it because it is by far the largest instance, and thereby means lemmy isn’t as decentralised as it could be, I think this is a fair point, because it has caused federation issues with for example aussie.zone in the past.
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Tankies who get mad the average lemmy.world user does not share their admiration for China, Russia, North Korea, Stalin, and Mao. Thereby accusing the whole instance of being “libs” and “bigots”.
I’ll add 2 more that resonate with me:
- Discussions of distributing copyright material is banned. (Not actually sharing, obviously that is illegal, but they’ve banned the mere discussion of it.)
- They have not defederated from Meta’s Threads
Fwiw, LW seems ready to defederate from Threads at a moment’s notice (post), but atm it doesn’t matter since Threads isn’t federating with Lemmy anyway.
Though it’s still an excellent point to wonder why they haven’t done it preemptively, like pretty much every other instance I’ve heard of (even lemm.ee’s [blocked instance list[(https://lemm.ee/instances) that is shockingly short has that one). Perhaps bc the decision to defederate from any instance, and especially that one, has generated such negative feedback (as the post linked above mentions), they are hesitant to do anything at all, especially again while it does not matter right now.
lemm.ee had a vote on threads. As to the short blocklist, it’s a combination of a liberal federation policy and sunaurus apparently taking the time to clean it up once in a while, other instances have instances on their blocklist which are long defunct.
The way they approached Threads is part of why I stuck with LW. Instance location doesn’t matter much to me and why would I go with an option that is more willing to take choice out of my hands?
Corporate or not, it should be my decision to interact with it. Unless it’s Nazis or some shit similar, I can block rather than rely on defederation and being told what to do.
Lemmy.world has kind of awful moderation, which means people who are trolls or bad actors have lived here for a very long time despite multiple reports. It was only recently that Linkerbaan (the most notorious one of all) was banned, and it took a thread complaining about bans in [email protected] and dbzer0 admins messaging them to get their attention.
There are other people here like that which never receive permanent bans for consistently horrible behavior. It’s not great, and while I don’t agree with Beehaw’s decision to defederate over it I do think that things could be better. It does degrade user experience to have known trolls and assholes running wild and only getting a slap on the wrist when they do something horrible.
Lemmy.world has kind of awful moderation, which means people who are trolls or bad actors have lived here for a very long time despite multiple reports.
Maybe people shouldn’t overflow the moderation pipe with reports then just because posts are idiotic. There’s the downvote button for that. I’m just a guy with a full-time job and personal life who on occasion may get ill with a cold or so. So when I log onto Lemmy on PC and I see a dozen of reports having popped up about posts being reported as being “in bad faith”, posts that may be genuinely idiotic but not containing any personal attacks / racism /…, I’m already checking out. Not every idiotic posts needs moderator intervention. Sometimes a minus 25 score is enough. So when there are a dozen of reports about merely idiotic posts, I might miss a genuinely intervention-worthy one.
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