I hope at least here’s they don’t just ban for no reason lol.

Ah… well… actually… see the thing is…

Nvm, you’ll find out. But overall discussions are higher quality here, while I just gave up on that on Reddit entirely.

One issue for me, and this is also true of Mastodon and by extension Mbin, is that I greatly prefer the voting and focus on a topic area rather than person. X / Twitter / Mastodon / Bluesky is where celebrities go to increase their profits, fame, and relevance, while Reddit / Lemmy / PieFed (/ + nodeBB + flarum + others) are where we discuss matters of import. I’m not criticizing your post here - this is definitely the correct community to discuss such matters:-) - just interjecting my personal preferences into the conversation, to disclose my own biases.

If Lemmy.World went away, then correct you would not “lose” the users as, well you said it, they would simply move to another instance.

But if Lemmy.World remained and you blocked it (if you had a method to do that - it’s not easy at all using base Lemmy but it is doable with some older apps or like Ublock Origin filter rules and such), then in that context you would indeed “lose” all of that content. Or like if you got banned from that instance then that’s another way that you could “lose” access to engage with communities located on it.

The more centralized something is, like Reddit, the more damaging it is to lose access to it, while the more decentralized, as you pointed out, the less overall effect that perturbations have upon the network.

That seems a very good way to phrase it.

The next issue then becomes cost. Which affects Lemmy as well: first there is the requisite effort to set up and self-host even a tiny instance (especially as it relates to potential spam and CSAM attacks), and second the network traffic costs. The latter may be tiny for a single user who only subscribes to a handful of communities, but someone trying to browse All and wanting everything to be available for their perusal (even if deleted soon-ish for storage reasons) will bear a much higher burden. Which depending on local costs may be trivially easy… or prohibitively expensive, but in either case the more data that someone wants to pull in the higher the cost.

And I imagine that Bluesky is either similar, or significantly worse.

Bluesky is decentralised in theory, but in reality it is not.

I loved how you phrased it here:-).

Looking at your other comment on this thread, thank you - that kind of breakdown was precisely what I was hoping to see!:-)

So Bluesky is more decentralized than Reddit (or Facebook), but barely, and far less so than any Fediverse platform currently.

I think what OP was trying to convey was less the current state of affairs and more the underlying protocol itself, which they re-released now under a separate post.

Nice. I remember when it was 80%, then it fell to half, 40%, and apparently now is closer to a third than half. Excellent decentralizing!:-)

I hope I am not adding to the problem here as well. It seems that obviously Bluesky is neither fully centralized nor fully decentralized. Is there a statement about just how much of either it is?

Although that might be complicated - like someone could say that Lemmy is fairly centralized, bc if you block Lemmy.World then you lose half the users and perhaps half the communities (and PieFed even more so, with PieFed.social representing an even higher fraction of users and communities on it).

So there is a distinction between Bluesky the service as it currently is implemented and Bluesky the protocol, the former of which is fairly centralized but the latter is more expandable?

The Threadiverse is terrible when it comes to news, and niche content. Though as you say Reddit is terrible to actually try to converse with someone on, or even to read through the comments section is like listening to eight year olds (of whatever physical age).

I too go back to Reddit when needed lately, though in read-only mode.

sopuli and sh.itjust.works as others mentioned are good. I wanted to add a shout-out for discuss.online for anyone in the USA with fantastic uptime stats.

Also I’m a huge fan of PieFed, well worth checking out.:-)

PieFed, Kbin died but lives on in its fork Mbin, Sublinks didn’t pan out but was started (the PHP code is FOSS), nodeBB, and flarum.

You may also occasionally see posts from Friendica or Mastodon that also use the ActivityPub protocol, though the barriers to sharing those with the Threadiverse are somewhat high.

Fwiw, you catch more flies with honey than with vinegar.

I for one am extremely happy to see PieFed flourish, and one of my chief reasons to move to it 8 months ago was specifically to block lemmy.ml.

That said, I have no desire to “cancel” anyone at all - and the Lemmy devs are worthy of respect for their accomplishments, even as they also deserve some criticisms for the way that they run their instance.

I love how the future allows PieFed and Lemmy - and Mbin, nodebb, flarum, friendica, mastodon, pixelfed, etc. - to exist altogether in the Fediverse, without needing any of the others to die out. I even maintain accounts on both PieFed and Lemmy instances, as each currently offers features that the other lacks.

(also, if some of the lemmy instances were to be cancelled, then all of their users would come over to here… think about that for a moment, is that a desirable outcome to you? :-P)

It reminds me of DMV.social’s shutdown, and for similar reasons (admin feeling overwhelmed). I don’t recall how big that one was though.

Thunder is coming, but for now only Interstellar is official iirc (last I saw Thunder support was only available as a fork of the code).

The web interface is great though.

Although defederations are an issue. Sopuli for instance blocks both Hexbear.net and lemmygrad.ml - which imho is very much a good thing.:-)

Lemm.ee is recruiting new admins!, from four months ago.

Discuss.Online has fantastic admins. The uptime rate there is breathtaking. I hopped across many instances before I settled there.

PieFed is also pretty fantastic too, with so very many features that Lemmy lacks - like flairs (post and user), voting polls, categories of communities, which are user customizable and shareable, etc.

I disagree. Some of its top recommendations include lemmynsfw.com (I have nothing against NSFW but go there and read their admin posts - they have been struggling for a long time so like lemm.ee not stable), beehaw.org (a fantastic instance but I feel like one not to be casually recommended to people without explanation), hilariouschaos.com (are you fucking kidding me with this neonazi shit?), lemmy.ml (certainly nothing ever controversial can be said about that one - at least not while on that platform!😜😞), and all of this is just what I noticed today but in the past iirc multiple times even it has suggested hexbear.net to me.

So no, I don’t recommend the recommendation of this site to people.

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They are not - he X/cancelled it.:-P