For context, I’m circumcised and expecting a son and my wife and I are torn about the circ. We’re American so from a cultural standpoint circumcision is the default choice. Thing is, there’s no real benefit besides practicing a religion we don’t believe in, and I’m uncomfortable about cutting the tip of my son’s dick off.
On the other side, I’ve met a guy who was bullied in high school so bad for it he got a circ as an adult. Apparently crazy painful recovery. I’ve also talked to women who are generally grossed out by uncircumcised men. I don’t want to make him feel like something’s wrong with him his whole life because I was uncomfortable with the idea.
From a moral standpoint I’m against it, but from a social and cultural standpoint I feel like I should do it? It’s a crappy situation. If there’s any uncircumcised American men who want to talk about their penis I’m all ears.
Male circumcision is genital mutilation.
If it’s your culture, your culture is dumb.
Except it has more upsides than downsides. In fact, except for extreme outliers there are no downsides. Not once in my life had I ever thought “I wish my parents would have not circumcised me as a baby”. From a US perspective, I think it looks better, most women think it looks better, and it saved me from cost, pain, and awkward teen years of waiting until adulthood to make the decision.
OP, you said it yourself, really. You aren’t unhappy to be circumcised. You know at least one guy in real life who hated not being circumcised. Do you know anyone in real life; not the internet where people with negative outlooks on an issue tend to be the most outspoken, and not from all the other countries with different cultures and norms, but that you actually know that was mad about being circumcised? I work in a field that’s very… Not shy about bringing up things like this. I’ve never met a guy who wished he wasn’t circumcised.
Nanook can go ahead and call it mutilation, trying to lump it in with a dangerous and sexual pleasure ruining practice done to women in a handful of places, but I’ll hard disagree. Mutilation is “a severe and disfiguring injury.” I don’t see circumcised as any of that, and neither do most people where OP or myself are from.
There is like, no upside its literally you making up reasons to justify your condition lol.
You’re doing the same thing, but hey, we can both start throwing links at each other to back up our points, if you’d like.
But you know what, lets just say for the sake of argument neither dick has any medical or hygiene or STI risk differences (because there’s loads of evidence showing uncircumcised people are at a greater risk of getting those)
I think it looks better, and most people in my country think it looks better. Personal preference? Sure. But personally, we got better looking dicks. The other medical benefits are just a bonus.
You’re not going to bring up the sensitivity arguments? Foreskin is a natural part of the body, the fact that it’s the norm is meaningless. If we were chopping off the tips of ears or male nipples would there be “no downsides” either? Why not just NOT do the thing? You can’t undo a circumcision.
Sensitivity arguments? Go check Google search trends and tell me if the searches for guys trying to last longer is larger than the searches for lasting too long.
Sure buddy, go play with your half dick
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Imagine arguing “I’m a child who can’t clean his own body” in public to justify mutilating children so their genitals are prettier
shower
Something tells me this guy could talk about dicks all night slong.
Something tells me this guy could talk about dicks all night slong.
All night schlong XD
The infection risk only becomes an issue when you’re old. I’m getting circumcised at 70, I’m keeping my dick whole until then. Your dick looks ugly, sorry not sorry.
Also, I’m happy you like your dick, I’m sure you’d also like it if your parents didn’t remove a piece.
I don’t know who told you it was only a risk when you’re old, but that isn’t true at all.
There are a number of men who are upset about it, they’ve formed advocacy groups and some use therapies and procedures to regrow foreskin.
https://www.doctorsopposingcircumcision.org/
For some balance, this isn’t very informative, but it does fairly frame the debate:
I mean, there’s groups for everything. If just 1% of men in the US were unhappy about having been circumcised, while the other 99% were happy or indifferent about it, that’s still over a million people unhappy. It’s still a super minority of people.
If any other elective medical procedure had a 1% chance of extreme regret, it would be considered psychologically risky, in addition to the chance of complications.
Do we know the actual numbers for how men feel about the procedure? I think that’s important if we’re debating this on the merits of joy/regret.
I couldn’t find any good sources that surveyed adult men on their parents’ circumcision choice.
Don’t do it. Let your kid choose as an adult. You can’t undo circumcision.
You can’t be bullied if everyone is uncut. And as you say it’s cultural, it makes absolutely no sense for me and I don’t understand parents who voluntarily butcher the genitals of their children. I can’t believe it still exists.
I had a “friend” in highschool try to make me feel bad about being uncut. Saying the typical pseudoscience of “you’re dirty” “girls don’t like it”, it was that day that I decided this guy was stupid beyond repair.
It still exists because people with circumcisions see it as an improvement. It’s better.
You may like it better, and it should be your choice to have it. It should be an elective procedure for the individual to make, that’s all I believe they are saying.
I’m glad I didn’t have to go through 18 years before paying to have it done and being in pain from the surgery.
I’m uncut and went through my childhood and teenage years in the US. No one cared in preschool, and no one cared in the Highschool locker room, none of the women I slept with cared. It might be painful as an adult to do, but it’s a choice the person gets to make for themselves. I am grateful my parents stopped the doctors from cutting.
Don’t do it. That guy in high school had a choice and he made it, you’ll be robbing your child of any choice and it does have many downsides.
Dude I have a foreskin and it’s fucking rad. I can pinch it closed when I pee and it’ll fill up like a balloon. How could you deny your son that?
Can’t argue with that
Lmao love all this genuine life advice and you say nothing, one dude shows up and is like "I get to play with my dick like this and you’re 100% in hell yeah territory.
Rad.
It’s more relatable than some moral position hah
I feel seen
Frankly, it’s a bloody weird thing to do unless medically required. Leave him be.
No I find it revolting. Might as well ask me to cut the tip of my nose off.
No sane beings cut off parts of their children as part of a retarded ancient ritual. Let alone part of the genitals; unfathomable perversion.
Pardon my French, this angers me.
Edit: Oh, and pro tip: Mutilating children leads to antisocial behavior.
In the US its not even an ancient ritual. One cereal makers anti-masturbation crusade started it in the 19th century
Fucking Kellogg’s stole my foreskin!
Please don’t use that word, it’s a slur.
which word, french?
Sometimes, slurring is appropriate.
No, not really.
Let us agree to disagree.
Alright bigot.
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it is his body, nobody else’s i dont understand this. the human penis is not a flawed organ needing intervention and aesthetic is not a good enough reason. barring medical, what the fuck lol.
Do you approve of genetic mutilation* for cultural reasons?
I think your answer lies there.
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Circumcision was associated with frequent orgasm difficulties in Danish men and with a range of frequent sexual difficulties in women, notably orgasm difficulties, dyspareunia and a sense of incomplete sexual needs fulfilment.
Now do a breakdown between at birth by medical professionals vs rabbis or similar unqualified individuals who then suck the blood out of the baby’s penis with their mouth
Dude what
What’s what Jews do, the Rabbi performs the circumcision and then sucks the baby’s bleeding penis
That can’t be real
Definitely is. Some practice it and some don’t, but it’s traditionally part of it.
The traditional method of performing metzitzah b’peh (Hebrew: מְצִיצָה בְּפֶה, abbreviated as MBP[73])—or oral suction[74][75]—has become controversial. The process has the mohel place his mouth directly on the infant’s genital wound to suck blood away from the cut. Many circumcision ceremonies no longer use metzitzah b’peh,[76] but Haredi Jews continue to perform it.[71][72][64] The practice poses a serious risk of spreading herpes to the infant.[77][78][79][80] Proponents maintain that there is no conclusive evidence that links herpes to Metzitza,[81] and that attempts to limit this practice infringe on religious freedom.[82][83][84]
Bro that shit should be illegal what in the fuck
Why?
Complications, as tracked by the study, are obviously going to be far higher when performed by unqualified religious leaders that literally suck on the wound
A few counterpoints to the circumcision pros that you mentioned:
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Circumcision rates are dropping across America. In some areas they ared dropping faster than others, but from what I recall the get are basically dropping everywhere to some degree. So I expect bullying about it is on the decline as it becomes less common.
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Also, the simple fact is that bullies will find any reason to be shitheads. So if it’s not circumcision it’ll be something else.
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Any straight women who are grossed out by a natural penis are idiots, and your kid will be dodging an asshole bullet if they do reject him over that.
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Better to let him decide if he wants to get it cut later or leave it uncut than to take away his free agency.
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The idea of wanting a circumcision has never once occurred to me. The notion of having my most sensitive area permanently exposed… eugh.
Here’s the trick though, circumcision kills off thousands of nerve endings until it’s nowhere near as sensitive 👉😎👉
Don’t do it. It’s his body. Apart from medical issues it should be his choice. And bullying always finds a way and is hard to influence from the victim‘s part. You can only help in raising your child to be a confident person that is sure of your love and knows they can talk to you about anything.
Don’t do it.
I was cut for medical reasons but i wish the had tried an incision instead. My parents however were the bunch that thought the foreskin is worthless stuff because god commanded the jews to cut it (and god is always right). I remember the pain to this day. You will also steal pleasure from you son.
