I was just reading this post https://old.reddit.com/r/selfhosted/comments/1gmv76n/is_reddit_going_to_remain_the_primary_space_for/ and many barely see the fediverse as an alternative and they seem to have a negative bias towards it. Super ironic when it comes to the self-hosting community. Yes, some instances are problematic, yes, some devs might have had problematic views. But it doesn’t really matter when it’s federated and FOSS. I think it’s clear-cut that the selfhosting community on Lemmy is a perfect alternative to reddit. Why is there such a negative bias?

  • TimewornTraveler@lemm.ee
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    8 days ago

    I mean, read the post? They explain themselves pretty well there. Or are you linking it with hopes we’ll brigade or something?

    Lemmy hate comes down to two or three things: they don’t like communists, or they’re confused by it. Or they’re waiting for it to be bigger.

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      8 days ago

      100%. That’s why it took me until the end of June to join Lemmy even though the blackout was on June 12th.

      And I was already hating Reddit before the blackout. But FOMO made me stay and I feel bad about it.

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    No idea, quit Reddit over a year ago for fedia/lemmy. Never used x/twitter either, i use mastodon.

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    8 days ago

    Almost everyone in the linked Reddit post seems to be supportive of Lemmy, or even Lemmy users. Even the people who tried it and stopped seem generally warm to the idea and just think it needs polish.

    I’d say that this comment section is way more vitriolic than that one lol

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    9 days ago

    As someone who used to be vehemently anti-lemmy, it’s a few different reasons.

    1. It’s something new. Honestly is as simple as that. Most redditors are straight up threatened by new features, new looks, new anything. New Reddit is an example of that. To be fair it is hideous but it’s also drastically underused according to reddits own metrics. This just stays consistently with everything. People prefer old subs to new, prefer old users to new, old memes to new. Why? Dunno. Could be as simple as just that they know it so it’s comforting.

    2. The propaganda that reddit put up against Lemmy was pretty insane. The first few mini-migrations set people up with weird expectations and a lot of them bounced back to reddit with weird notions. Some of it was based on shitty admins or shitty servers (cough lemmy.ml cough) but other things seemed to be almost coordinated against Lemmy. By the time that the big migration from Reddit killing off third party apps/API use a lot of people had heard one or two things and just started spreading it. Redditors often don’t source material and just kinda spread rumors or ‘feelings’ or upvote one idiot who seems like he knows what he’s talking about while blatantly lying. This has never gone away. The same idiots keep whining and being dismissive.

    3. Redditors are hateful. Not purely hateful people or anything but the atmosphere encourages hate and division. I still browse reddit occasionally and I’ll check the comments out about a post. It’s always so bitter and angry, snapping out at one another. When every crab in the bucket is pulling you down, you get stuck in that habit too. Until you break free of reddit you don’t realize just how bitter it’s making you. Lemmy doesn’t have those vibes and it can be really off putting to someone still in that bitterness. Kindness and people getting along almost comes off as stupid and naive so you just kinda dismiss the entirety of Lemmy as a whole.

    4. This is a conspiracy but I’m positive that Reddit admins are purging a lot of references to Lemmy that don’t show the site in a positive light. When the API shit was happening people kept pointing out that certain communities that were supportive of Lemmy suddenly got locked behind a NSFW curtain that forced users to be logged in to read the community. A lot of people talked about how certain posts and stuff were being removed, especially ones critical of Spez. I don’t think they stopped that campaign and I think they still try to demonize the hell out of Lemmy. Could be because China has a significant hand in reddit now or it could be because Spez has a tiny dick and a tinier ego. Dunno. But I think they’re weighting the scales.

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      Reddit 100% was censoring and shadow banning any kbin or lemmy mentions.

      I wouldn’t even be surprised if reddit actively promoted or even creates negative comments. There was a precedent of people abandoning Digg so they were clearly very aware and afraid.

      At the end of the day it’s impossible to tell with these incredibly opaque networks. It’s even hard to confirm comment visibility as Reddit employs data fudging and shadow banning.

      Just another reminder that nothing any closed source social media says should be trusted, ever.

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    We are having a great time over here in the Fediverse, and they are jealous. So we will continue to have a blast, just to piss them off.

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    9 days ago

    Number 1 comment is

    Reddit ain’t going anywhere fast.

    If r/selfhosted has to rely on reddit as it can’t be fucked selfhosting, what chance do other subs have.

    I have found Lemmy selfhosted communities excellent, they are not a large as Reddit but there are plenty knowledgeable people, often seflhosting their own little reddit.

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      7 days ago

      The irony of a self hosted community refusing to self host…

      Honestly back during the API fiasco I was honestly expecting the mods their to make their own instance together. The fact they didn’t blew me away

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    Seems to me most people in that thread seems relatively open minded? The people dismissing Lemmy completely appears to be downvoted, and people seem to have a nuanced understanding that it’s a better platform in theory but sadly less active.

    I’m sure they’re right. I’m a slow person who thinks there’s plenty of activity over here, but if you’re used to the adrenaline of Reddit it must feel a little small town-y.

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    Lemmy has a toxic puddle problem. If your first experience with Lemmy is sauntering into a community and getting chased out for not agreeing with someone hard enough, something like that, you’ll probably just go back to Reddit and say ‘that place is full of whack jobs’.

    And the default sort, kinda hard to dodge

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    I am pretty sure most people are here for idealogical reasons so lack of things is a nothing burger for them.

    Normies only care about ease of use and network effect. Until fediverse brings usability, we aint even compete for the network.

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      7 days ago

      Idk I find Lemmy easier to use. I go to Lemmy site -> I use site

      I go to reddit -> I get asked to turn of my VPN -> get asked to login -> get asked to download mobile app -> accept cookies -> I finally use site.

      Damn reddit is so much easier

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        -> I get asked to turn of my VPN ->

        Yes 🐸

        secondary reason why i left reddit, they don’t respect a person who respects him or her self… not long after i learned that’s corpo’s MO and that’s how i become radicalized linux enjoyer haha