This poetgirl on Instagram says some off the wall shit.
Some of these old bitches have totally lost their mind and just spread misinformation.
This is more than mildly infuriating for me but I wasn’t quite sure where else to post this lol.
So we should display religious things of only the original occupiers of the land? I don’t think she’s going to be happy with the conclusion there.
I for one am all for this plan. Schools would be a lot cooler if they were decorated by the local Native American tribes.
Never underestimate the kinks of people.
As long as someone beneath me gets hurt at least a little bit…
Haven’t you heard? “European whites” are actually natives now. That’s literally what those fascists on Jubilee said and were cheering for.
They will just change the reality if we let them.
The basis of most modern day US Republican policies is simply might makes right.
The Clovis people?
There’s no hate like christian love
It is really sad since not all Christians are like that
If the ones that aren’t like that gave a fuck they would do literally anything to stop the ones that are. But because that would hurt their precious religion they just ignore it instead.
As far as I’m concerned they are all dog shit people. Willingly turning a blind eye to hate from your own is no better than spewing it yourself.
“Your inaction is your admission of guilt”.
I assure you the ones that arent like that do give a fuck and do what they can with what ability they can when able. A lot of them go non denominational and some are fighting other battles elsewhere.
If you want to change their minds, you have to do it with promises & lies.
In the meantime, the pope will continue to shit in the woods.
Yeah, we often see the entire non-terrorist Muslim population being held responsible for not doing enough to condemn terrorism, but Christians are let off the hook for the atrocities of their fundamentalists.
The ones that aren’t didn’t do much to stop the ones that are from taking over. You’d think they’d care more about the blasphemous hatred they spew. It makes all Christians look bad.
Every 2000 years or so, religion goes to war with itself. Big war.
In the years between, it’s basically disputes over what to call the omnipotent being or which shoe to worship.
What does stopping American Christofascists from reconstructing the US government into a baldly authoritarian cesspit look like for normal, moderate Christians? And how does it differ from what theists of other religions and atheists could do to stop the same thing (reconstruction of the US government)?
It’s decades too late at this point, but not accepting the far-right fundamentalists who were spewing clearly non-Christ-like rhetoric as fellow Christians would have been a good start. This applies more to church leadership than lay people, although a general sense of not accepting them from everyone would have still helped. They were happy to consider them when counting how many people in the US were Christian. Unlike non-theists and theist non-Christians alike, all Christians gain a lot by being the de facto state religion despite it supposedly being illegal.
Not all that segregate are doomed to hate. Just most.
Thanks for not telling us “we are going to hell”, we’re already here.
Christians fought for the land? You are talking about the genocide of native Americans? The same ones that owned slaves?.. Yeah ok, I understand why YOU like them so much now…
About 20-30% of the people enslaved and deported to the US were Muslims.
The “Christians” brought Islam to North America by force.
Muslims have a long and proud history of serving this country with honor and distinction for centuries.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslims_in_the_United_States_military
The first country to recognize the US was Morocco, an overwhelmingly Muslim nation then, and before then, and now. And for that long-lasting support, real Americans suggest they don’t belong here.
Yes. I have served with some.
Also, let’s not forget the interpreters we had that risked their lives to help us. Many we worked to bring back to the states. They are amazing people and I would choose any interpreter that I ever worked with over my own mom. My mom was horrible btw.
Yes. Sadly I know all about this and it hits pretty close to home for me.
They are pissing off a bunch of operators and such and that’s never a good thing.
Personally I do think it should be required to post some amount of Islamic concepts. Among the many ways we are too provincial is seeing everything through the eyes of a single religion family. Even our friends and neighbors seem alien when we aren’t even aware there are other religions.
Let’s require at least some comparative religion study, perhaps in social studies and history. The major religions have had a huge impact on the development of our societies and we should all be more familiar with beliefs held in common or u destined where they’re actually different (and not just the Fix News version)
They should learn about Christianity and Islam in their history textbooks. That’s fucking it.
Why should that be it? Throw in Deism to understand the attitude of the US founders, then round out most of the population with Islam, Hindu, Jainism, and probably many more. You have to cover Judaism because of its influence on Christianity. And of course agnostics and atheism to round out the beliefs. You’ll never hit all the possibilities but perhaps it would be ok to cover families of beliefs, such as if native belief systems are similar (I have no idea and that’s a shame)
I meant that’s the only place it should be learned about, and not plastered on the wall. I’d gladly shove all the other fairy tales in there too
Actual inter-religious comparative theology is probably even better for developing skeptical critical thinkers than not teaching people about religion at all. I would love to see schools adopt that sort of coursework.
Most states do require some comparative religion in high school history. I’ve taught it.
Confucianism, Buddhism, Hinduism, and the Abrahamic faiths were in the curriculum. What was really fascinating was having a high schooler that had no idea what Christianity was. I live in the Bible Belt!
But yeah, understanding things like the Five Pillars of Islam humanizes Muslims. Understanding why a classmate isn’t eating all day, knowing that Muslims are required to donate some to charity if they can…
I think even some of the quasi Christian groups should be covered, but that’s a lot dicier. I don’t know if JW kids’ parents would want them to learn about the Great Disappointment, or Mormon families would approve of discussing Jo Smith’s child brides… (much less that official Mormon theology was that Native Americans would turn white if converted, or the best outcome for black folks was being a servant in the afterlife)
The world is full of idiots. Save your sanity and ignore them.
Instructions unclear, ran off into the woods and ignored everyone
You’re doing it right.
Working out ok for me so far.
The world is full of idiots. Save your sanity and ignore them.
yeah, by ignoring them, they’re bringing back diseases that were managed well (polio, etc) and put the US in the hands of fascism.
What’s the alternative to ignoring them? You can’t make them smarter. You can’t exclude them from voting without creating something similar to fascism. Not even removing warning labels helps because idiots don’t read them anyway.
Often, it’s not about the person you’re arguing against, it’s for the people watching who are on the fence.
If you can keep yourself calm, rational, and present convincing evidence, then you can save some people from falling into those conspiracy and religious holes from which they may never return.
Sometimes you get lucky and bring someone back from the brink.
It’s estimated about 2% of Americans believe Earth is flat, and a further 9% aren’t sure what shape it is.
2% of Americans is near 7,000,000 people. Near 40,000,000 don’t believe the Earth is a ball or are unsure.
Even if you can’t convince the 2%, that’s still roughly 33,000,000 people in America alone you could potentially help with critical thinking. We need all the help we can get.
I thought this way a long time ago. But just like Sisyphus I had to watch the rock roll down the slope again and again after believing to have achieved anything. It only takes a slight breeze to make the rock roll down again.
You don’t know what the alternative is? Come on.
No. Tell me. I’m genuinely interested.
It’s a tough pill to swallow because social media gives these idiots a megaphone and places their bullshit right alongside actual experts. These people are a cancer on society. Ignoring them is good for your sanity but it also allows them to spread their disease unchecked.
My mom once asked if my Jewish girlfriend celebrated Thanksgiving. When I scoffed, she reminded me that there weren’t any Jews on the Mayflower.
I reminded her that there weren’t any Catholics either.
Nice. You gave her the burrrnn. Good job. We need to really start correcting much of this type of misinformation out there when people say it one day many many more will believe it.
It’s a fight against windmills. There’s a certain type of person who’s just totally resistant against learning new stuff. They got their opinion and that’s truth and screw everything else.
You might correct one thing, but by the time you did that they already dug up three new pieces of garbage.
It’s so frustrating.
You might correct one thing, but by the time you did that they already dug up three new pieces of garbage.
In fairness, Thanksgiving wasn’t made a national holiday until 1863. By then, the US had plenty of Catholics, in no small part thanks to the Irish Potato Famine of the prior two decades.
It also had plenty of Jews, thanks to the Napoleonic Wars and the then-recent string of wars along the border of the Ottoman Empire.
Hell, it might be worth pointing out that the Mayflower was the product of the 30 Years War (of which the Hell on Earth podcast miniseries does a really excellent job of documenting), which also produced a sizable exodus of Catholics and Jews to the New World. So, it seems they’ve got as much of an excuse to celebrate 17th century Settlers Colonialism as anybody.
https://www.loc.gov/loc/lcib/0205/tolerance.html
The Founders of this nation explicitly included Islam in their vision of the future of the republic. Freedom of religion, as they conceived it, encompassed it. Adherents of the faith were, with some exceptions, regarded as men and women who would make law-abiding, productive citizens. Far from fearing Islam, the Founders would have incorporated it into the fabric of American life.
Great share.
I have met Muslims who fight for America. Let’s see her military service that she’s so proud of
Even if it wasn’t for all the other instances already mentioned, there were quite a few muslim combat interpreters that fought with the US troops in Afghanistan etc. only to be left behind and they sure as fuck got killed.
…them and their families.
“If God truly does exist, he more so loves the atheist who questions the world around him than the Christian who blindly follows.”
Thomas Jefferson
50% of the Founding Fathers were agnostic or atheist. My question is: why does she hate America?
I give this ragebait a 6/10. Could be worse, could be better.
What if it isn’t rage bait but a simple slice of the prevailing idiots point of view who think the US was founded a christian country?
“Nyeah nyeah, my god is better than yours” - some cunt failing to realize they worship the same god
aka a nonexistant one
But the same nonexistent god of Abraham.
pretty much, but it doesn’t matter to them. What matters is what wrote the mastermind that invented all this bullshit and wrote it in a book so they can profit from it
Wrong… A simple google search shows that Muslims did indeed fight in the US revolutionary war along side other colonists
Or you could just say the 10 commandments are part of Islam.
They’re part of the Old Testament, which pulls from Jewish scripture, but it’s all Abrahamic to me. They should post the Beatitudes if they really want to keep things Christian-specific, but they won’t. Why? Just read them (and the corresponding Woes in Luke) and you’ll see. The Wikipedia article should be enough: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beatitudes
Mmm problem with the beatitudes is they’re kinda pretty open to interpretation. What do you consider merciful or righteous? Sure its narrowed down pretty well if you follow all of his teachings… but that’s asking a lot of modern American Christians.
Lots of folks in the US don’t really have an understanding of religion as a separate thing from nationality.
They think of “being Christian” as “being like the other white people in my neighborhood growing up”. End of thought.
So drinking beer, watching football, and hating taxes are all “Christian things” to them.
So when they say “Christians — and only Christians — died for this country”, they’re 100% correct, according to their understanding of “being a Christian”. Cuz to them it basically just means “being an American”.
There’s really no way to convince them otherwise. It’s like telling someone that Velcro is really called “hook and loop”.
You’re basically saying: Christians don’t read the bible, they just act like their peers and all the bad habits that can go with that.
wellllllll…
Except Frenchmen and Africans also fought and died for this country.
indigenous people did, are you ok to show their spirituality in schools? I am sure there will be mass conversions lol
People don’t read. Paraphrasing:
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Jesus (J): “Why would you call me ‘good’? Only the Father is good.”
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Muhammed (M): “Our Lord has decreed mercy upon Himself, so to anyone who commits sin out of ignorance and then repents and amends, He is Forgiving, Merciful.”
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J: “It’s easier* for a camel to go through the eye of the needle than it is for a rich man to enter Heaven.”
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M: “Those who hoard gold and silver and don’t spend it in the cause of God, give them news of a painful retribution.”
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J: “You have been told ‘do not murder, for whoever murders will be judged for it’, but I tell you anyone who is angry and insults their brother will be judged for it too.”
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M: “The righteous are those who suppress their anger and pardon the people. God loves the good doers.”
I know you’re paraphrasing and probably from memory, but you have one inparticular completely backwards- It is EASIER for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter heaven. Meaning, of course, a camel cannot pass through the eye of a needle, and therefore a rich man will never get into heaven, because in order to get rich he must have been selfish and greedy, which is ungodly. (I’m a heathen, so idfk what I’m talking about, but I learned this proverb from my religious ex-partner, and I think it’s lovely)
100%! Thanks for the very important correction, my cat woke me up at 3 am and I started posting half asleep, lol (and you know exactly what the J-man was talking about! 😁).
Interesting fact: in… 2010-ish a Vatican historian priest released a book where he explained that Jesus was a jokester. A lot of his sermons in the Bible were haha funny for the people at the time.
Do you know what we call a dude traveling from city to city with an entourage making people laugh? :)
A comedian.
Humour is a sign of intelligence! And yes, the ‘camel’ is a play on words, as gamla in Aramaic means both rope and camel, and also a callback to Jewish oral tradition/Talmudic teachings where it’s an ‘elephant going through the eye of the needle’. 👍
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