As a British lad, I’ve been keeping tabs on the news about this guy and the wide support he’s getting.
With so much support, surely the public will get him out of jail just to spite the bastard rich kids and their CEO baron fathers?
The Man who was shot allowed a massive corporation to dangle its strings over people’s lives, medication being pulled away which is horrifying to me who uses the NHS as my primary medical service for hearing.
What do you think? Will Luigi “The CEO Reaper” Mangione ever get out of prison?
I expect he will be denied bail if they can show the evidence against him is strong enough. Even if you have enough money, that’s just not a guarantee. They don’t set the bail at $50mn or something, it’s just not an option offered.
The boring but probably correct answer is he never breathes free air again, and his best case scenario is avoiding the death penalty.
his best case scenario is avoiding the death penalty.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but couldn’t the jury decide not to convict him and he’d be a free man? I’ve read that in some places at least. Or is there a mechanism to prevent that?
It’s theoretically possible but it requires a justice system that is actually blind. A justice system that didn’t just assign him a judge who’s married to a dude that was a former executive at a pfizer and still holds hundreds of thousands of dollars in healthcare companies, which apparently is something that she feels doesn’t require her to recuse herself even given the stature of this case
The jury selection process will be rigorous and will ensure that the people sitting on the panel are sympathetic to capitalists
It does seem they’ll try to use his case as a deterrent to anyone thinking about following in his footsteps. I think they will be harsh and he’ll be made into a martyr. The religious imagery of Saint Luigi may be apt and more than just a meme.
Historically speaking, yes. He will be convicted and executed as a message. The message to the rich is that the justice system
they’vewe’ve bought and paid for has their back. To the rest of us it’s a message about the cost of going after the wealthy. Thing is, the more they fuck the rest of us over, the more it’s a cost worth paying. But they are trying to keep us in line.
You have a source for that connection with the judge?
Thanks
Karen Friedman Agnifilo is an absolute pro who worked in the system for 30 years, I think he’s in very capable hands and if its unduly stacked against in him, I think she will be very vocal about that. There’s no other lawyer I would trust more than her
That might happen but is very unlikely. Jury selection is done by both sides so it’s very unlikely you’d get a jury united in deciding not to convict him.
However the Supreme Court ruled that jury verdicts have to be unanimous. It is very possible that the jury is unable to reach a unanimous verdict if 1 or more jurors refuse to convict. If this happens it would be a mistrial, and the case would be retired with a new jury. In theory this could keep happening until either a unanimous verdict is reached by a jury or a judge decides that this should not be retried as its been tried multiple times without outcome.
Another key element will be his defense which could lead to him getting a not guilty verdict. The only real defense as a mitigation would be insanity. Otherwise it seems unlikely (albeit possible) that it’s the wrong man.
The most likely scenario is a jury unanimously convicts him in my opinion. However people may feel about the case, a jury has to make a decision on whether the facts show he committed a crime - it seems pretty clear there is enough evidence to make a decision and it’s unlikely other factors will come in to play in a jury room.
In the US, a jury can choose to ignore the facts, and they can not be punished for it.
Luigi Mangione is a random person who attacked corporate America. Therefore, he is utterly fucked. Whatever anyone does to help him, ultimately his fate is already sealed.
The capitalists are in charge, but they are also utterly fucked.
The last thing you want to do with a spartacus-type enemy is to make them a martyr. They already fucked up by parading him around with those guards while he looks like the second coming of Christ. Nailing him to the cross is not going to solve any of their problems.
He did the math and decided that one moment of action was worth more to him than it cost. The rich of America need to see that vast wealth inequality leads to more and more people coming to the same conclusion. That’s why they will make sure he is sentenced to death, to let us know what the cost will be. But a life lived in misery is only worth so much, and death is the worst they can do.
on the wishful thinking side, biden pardons. also wishful: innocent until proven guilty, and that the evidence was planted.
but yeah, we will just have to wait on how the proceedings go. UHC has already flexed money in subduing luigi awareness merch.
They won’t have even decided if these are state or federal charges by the time Biden is out of office. And if he’s pardoned on the federal charges, the state can still charge him
I think he’s going to get state charges for murder, that would be the normal thing.
There is an open legal question about what happens if he has done something that could be a crime under both federal and state, because double jeopardy says he can’t be tried twice for the same crime. So if the feds brought charges and then he got pardoned, I don’t think the state can bring relatively identical charges, but apparently this is a question that legal scholars don’t know the answer to, and it would probably end up going to the appeals court if it were to happen.
Of course it’s not going to happen because Biden likes those rich assholes and the timing doesn’t really make sense anyway.
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You think the poor plebs have any power over the matter? This your first almost incitement of revolution that goes nowhere?
Personally I would prefer that he get out of jail as soon as he is not considered a risk to society, since that is the only valid justification for prisons. Maybe months, probably years. And then he can consider the evilness and futility of his act.
And for all the people celebrating it here, you might consider your own hypocrisy and outright callousness at defending the indefensible. I still can’t quite get over my shock at the level of hatred and vituperation here. I thought this community would be better than that.
From a person who knew Luigi Mangione, just published in Unherd:
But while thousands reacted on social media with laughter emojis to Thompson’s murder, I was sickened. Vigilantism is always wrong. If you celebrate someone gunning down a defenceless person in the street, then you advocate for a world in which this is an acceptable thing for anyone to do. You advocate for a world in which a stranger can decide that you’re also a bad person, and gun you down in the street. In such a world, I promise you, your health insurance would cost much more.
Asklemmy: what do CEO boots taste like? I’m sure they will see this post
Right. Because being against vigilantism must mean you love vigilante victims.
No idea, I don’t know any CEOs. I’m disappointed you seem to think that a job title disqualifies someone from the right to life, the right not to be murdered.
- the person who thinks a job title qualifies someone for the right to murder
If you’re claiming this guy (a human being with a family, and friends, and children) “murdered” people, you are either delusional or (more likely) twisting logic to breaking point in order to justify your own advocacy of cold-blooded murder.
Get off your high horse and shut the fuck up. Were you shocked when people celebrated Kissinger or Bin Laden dying or do you only get upset at corporate America?
You advocate for a world in which a stranger can decide that you’re also a bad person, and gun you down in the street. In such a world, I promise you, your health insurance
WE CURRENTLY LIVE IN A WORLD WHERE AN UNQUALIFIED STRANGER CAN DECIDE YOU DON’T DESERVE MEDICAL TREATMENT. Healthcare CEOs kill people EVERY DAY but we should draw the line when it’s a gun and not a denial letter? Get the fuck out of here with that logic.
Go point your outage at the millions of innocent people who die every day from preventable disease. Or if that’s too abstract for you, how about the people getting bombed and starved in Palestine?
