Someone is making money off of the surveillance and that someone knows someone else in the board of education. That’s why it exists. It has nothing to do with sudent safety.

tl;dr: your money does not go to Google and the ppl you get it from would have purchased it anyway. The device just ends up in your hands instead of the land fill or being recycled

It all depends on how you look at it. You choose to see it as your money saving an object from the landfill, and I choose to follow the trail of my money going all the way to Google’s pocket ultimately.

But those two outlooks are not incompatible: they both hold true. You just choose to disregard the latter while I can’t get past it.

Really?

Say I buy a pack of gum at the supermarket. The supermarket got my $2. Then I resell the pack of gum to my neighbor for $1.50. Who do you think has my neighbor’s $1.50 in his pocket? Me or the supermarket?

Hint: it’s not me. I’m still down $0.50 from the moment before I bought the pack of gum. And even if I had sold it to my neighbor full price because it’s new and unopened, it’d like I never bought it in the first place and my neighbor did.

Nobody talked about Calyx

I did, and you replied to me 🙂

if you wanted to avoid anything primarily made by Google you’d have a Linux phone

That’s true.

Unfortunately that’s not possible: I live in a country that delegates secure authentication to banks, and banks only supply 2FA apps that work in Android or iOS. If I had a Linux phone, I’d still need another phone with Android just for the purpose of banking, interacting with social services, logging in my work hours, getting notifications from the post office…

That’s the misery of Android: Google is such a pervasive monopoly that even if you want a fully deGoogled OS, the basis of it has to be 95% made by Google anyway because the rest of society goes along and reinforces their monopoly. And at some point, even someone like me has to make compromises to simply live normally.

I would gladly buy a Linux phone and I’d even put up with their quirks (I tried one once so I know they’re not as polished an experience as Android). But I am also a practocal man and it’s just not an option.

I think GrapheneOS should come with a no-compromise-security branch that only supports Google Pixel phones and an “ordinary security” branch that supports a wide variety of less-secure but non-Google hardware for people who can’t stomach the idea of buying a Google phone.

GrapheneOS would reach a much wider audience, and not everybody needs perfect security. I for instance am a low-value target and I have no need for GrapheneOS-level security.

If you buy second-hand, you give money to Google.

Someone bought the phone the first time and gave their money to Google, and you reimbursed part of that money to that buyer. In the end, Google gets your money. Maybe not full brand-new retail price, but what you paid for your second-hand phone goes indirectly into Google’s coffers.

Buying anything Google, second-hand or not, supports Google’s business. Given the choice, I refuse to support Google in any way, shape or form.

Example Fairphone, which has horrible update schedules

Fairphone’s release schedule and Calix’ release schedules are two different things. CalyxOS is updated less often than GrapheneOS for sure, but it’s updated a lot more often than Fairphone OS.

I am aware of the shortcomings of my choice.

But my priority is to not give a cent to Google: what am I supposed to do then?

I argue that GrapheneOS gives Pixel phones more value, thereby supporting Google. That is not great.

And it still doesn’t support anything that isn’t a Pixel phone.

I respect GrapheneOS very much. But the fact that you need a Google phone to install a deGoogled Android ROM is one contradiction I just can’t get past. I hate Google and I’m never going to buy their hardware and give them money for the privilege of escaping the Google corporate surveillance.

I’m aware of the technical reason why GrapheneOS only supports Pixel phones, but that irony is just too rich for me. So I use CalyxOS on a very much non-Google FairPhone4, and while it’s formally slightly less secure than GrapheneOS, at least Google got none of my money and that’s a lot more important than security to me.

Pray tell, what possible benefit can Lemmy communities gain from Facebook users?

You do realize most people who joined the Fediverse did so because Facebook and the likes are a steaming pile of shit, right?

What possible benefit is there to the pile of shit coming to splatter itself here uninvited?

It’s not just a matter of blocking Threads users.

Facebook is coming on here to slurp up data I don’t want them to have, and enriching their own Threads ecosystem with Fediverse content they haven’t lifted a finger to create.

Not to mention, when Threads users are able to fully interact in the Fediverse, do you really want that particular bunch to create noise in your communities? I don’t. There’s a reason why I avoid Facebook in all its forms.

Great.
I joined the Fediverse to escape Facebook’s toxic interpretation of communities, so Facebook is coming to the Fediverse instead.
Just great…

This is all rather meaningless because we don’t know the demographics of those who answered: 5,101 US adults of what generations?

I’m pretty sure younger generations aren’t nearly as concerned about privacy as older folks who grew up before Big Data became the dystopian thing it is today (statistically that is, that’s not to say there aren’t privacy-conscious youngsters or recklless data-sharing old folks).

This survey looks like it was mostly answered by gen-Xers.

I used to like cocaine, but I hated the addiction and I hated what it did to my nose.

But here’s the thing: you can’t have cocaine without the side effects. So I chose to stop cocaine. It’s less fun in the short term, but getting your life back together and enjoying the simple pleasures in life more than make up for it in the long run.

You need to choose Reddit with the side effects, or no Reddit and work on making Lemmy fun. You can’t have the Reddit hit without the side effects.

But if you put in the effort of trying to make Lemmy fun, it’ll be more rewarding, and it will help rebuild worthwhile communities away from Reddit for the benefit of everybody.

Up to you.

I hate Google as much as the next guy - well, probably a lot more than the next guy actually - but here I’m siding with them for a change.

They require payment for a feature (your phone number: it is monetizable private data to them and that’s your payment) and you tried to get the feature without paying. And you failed.

The story here is that AI is frighteningly accurate when detecting embedded screenshots, not that Google is “vicious”: they’re not vicious in this case, they’re simply scary successful at detecting your attempts to game their system. Probably because everybody and their dog tries the same trick all the time, I would assume.

Generally speaking, I agree with your assessment of Big Data and Google. But not in this particular instance.

I know you jest, but pirates - real ones - were among the most honest people there was with one another. They were honest mainly because if they weren’t, they quickly walked the plank.

Also, pirates shared the loot a lot more equally than modern capitalists share the wealth today, and they set up one of the first form of mutualised social security system in the world. You can read more about it in this article.

In short: I would trust Reddit pirates a lot more than I’ll ever trust Reddit itself.

This boggles the mind on two levels:

• Who the hell pays for Reddit upmods?
• If the point is to convince other Redditors to pay for something scammy, who the hell parts with any amount of money on the basis of something posted on Reddit?

You’re a rude patronizing prick, that’s for damn sure.

And boomer is telling you it was mainstream. Very much so. The only reason it wasn’t as developed as it is today is because computing wasn’t as developed as it is today.