• hope@lemmy.world
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    4 months ago

    This jerk convinced my county to get rid of our voting machines. A county that’s always been about 65% red 35% blue.

    Yeah I’m totally sure Biden stole the election by having a county in California vote the way they had been voting for decades.

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      I’m honestly not convinced voting machines are a good idea, especially proprietary ones. You are asking everyone to blindly trust the intentions of the company making them. You also risk bugs and hacks.

      Public elections need to be transparent, and easy to oversee, voting machines makes that much harder.

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        Theoretically, a voting machine could be open source, tracable, verifiable, and well regulated.

        In practice, all your currently existing industries can only make black boxes that even the makers can’t guarantee the workings of.

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          One problem that remains even with your theoretical machine is that non technical people are left behind in the verification process. It can be argued that a voting and verification method that is opaque to quite a significant part of the population is undemocratic.

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            True, a fully transparent system would require every voter to understand the machine and how the systems prevent tampering.

            At the same time, I don’t think even a majority of voters know how the voting process works in the U.S. and Canada today, simply trusting that such a process exists. I’d argue that many of the processes aren’t even fair, with gerrymandering and spoiler effects being common. Large numbers of people even believe that mail-in votes are simply a tool for fraud.

            So yes, ideally everyone would fully understand every step of every system of the voting process, but a working system is possible without that. If a more opaque system could increase verifiability and/or allow faster easier voting, it might be worth it. Of course currently existing voting machines do neither, and massively increase opacity at every level, so they’re quite terrible, but I don’t think they need to be perfect to be useful.

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        The problem was that hand counting votes in a county of our size is not legal, and I’m pretty sure we ended up switching to different machines anyway, so it seems to have just cost money and turmoil for no benefit to us.

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    am I crazy or am i seeing a pattern with these guys. They go off the deep end after they have a divorce. It’s like Mike and Giuliani normal lives then their wifes leave them and boom, first train to NuttJobVille.

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      IMHO cause and effect are the other way around. They either become or always have been crazy, at some point their partners realise this and bail. Then, unchecked, they go full-crazy.

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        Daniel Tosh has a joke about how no woman should “stand beside her man” if they are to act crazy.

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        Great question. I knew a guy that suddenly found Jesus. He wasn’t religious as far as we knew, never mentioned it, etc., then one day he suddenly became very religious. We had no idea what prompted it.

        But I remember him saying he doesn’t even know who his wife is any more, and thinking, “Uh, you’re the one that changed.” But the way he said it made it sound like he thought she had changed, not him.

        He was the manager of the retail store I worked in, and he’d sometimes start badgering customers about Jesus and God. Not good. I was off to college at the end of the summer, and he was gone when I stopped in a few months later.

        I wonder if he got a brain tumor or something, just to shift so dramatically so quickly. He was also doing bizarre things, like ordering tons of products we didn’t need, and not ordering stuff we did need.

        I remember one Sunday he scheduled himself, one cashier, one guy that had just started a few days before, and myself to work - then spent the entire time hanging out in the office. I was swamped all day. New guy did what he could, but he hadn’t had much time to learn. I could at least get him to load stuff, things like that, to reduce some of my workload. That workday went by really quickly. The customers were actually really nice about it - I assume they knew it wasn’t my fault, and saw that I was working hard.

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          But I remember him saying he doesn’t even know who his wife is any more, and thinking, “Uh, you’re the one that changed.” But the way he said it made it sound like he thought she had changed, not him.

          When people get married they either stop growing, grow together, or grow apart. It’s a crapshoot which is going to happen so it’s dumb to stand up in front of your friends and family and swear an oath that you’ll always be together when you can’t possibly know that

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          Hey thanks for the story time, real non-ai human, I value your authentic expression

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        maybe but it seems the divorce is always before you see them on fox news and such. but you might be right they go nutjob privately wife leaves then they get a victim complex and go public.

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          Probably some of each, they were a silent nut job, but when the wife left they decided to seek validation from the public. And everyone finds out they were nuts all along.

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      Happened to my brother, normal democrat who agreed with feminism and disliked Trump.

      Then fiancee left him for another man, took a hard right thanks to Jordan Peterson.

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        Yeah it’s because a separation can leave you in a really vulnerable emotional and mental place.

        And assholes like Peterson or Jones or so are adept at latching onto that and subverting your perspective from the inside out. You’d think “Hey, that could never happen to me!” but it’s difficult to know how vulnerable you’ll be after a truly harrowing emotional experience - which a breakup can be in some particular cases even though between adults it really should not have to be - and once you’re exploited, it’s virtually impossible to realize how skewed your view has become.

        Of course, this is separate from the often much more common case where someone was a nutjob from the getgo (like the guy in this article) and it just took their partner a while to realize that all the fame and money isn’t worth living with someone so utterly deranged.

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          Look, I’m a grade A nutjob but two divorces later and I’ve never even voted Republican.

          So that’s… At least two things my dad and I have in common.

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        Yup, one of my good friends was always a very fun, accepting guy. His wife cheated on him, she wanted to make amends but he couldn’t and ended it.

        Now his Facebook page is a constant stream of misogyny and trump support. Also whining about how people sometimes point out his bs claims instead of just allowing him to say things without being challenged.

        It’s sad because we used to hang out all the time and have a great time, now he’s just completely insufferable.

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      Lindell was a crackhead who traded crack for Jesus. Giuliani was always a scumbag.

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        oh i agree with both those statements what I mean they were private scumbags then became public nutjobs after the divorce.

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          Giuliani was always obsessed with being in the spotlight. Their was a joke in the early 2000s that said the most dangerous place in NY city after 9/11 was anywhere between Giuliani and a camera.

          The only thing that changed was that he’s gotten older, and less able to spin a narrative.

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          Might just be a sign of the times where it was a lot easier before the internet to keep negative stories about you out of the press.

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    It’s so weird that I saw those commercials on tv for 3 years, and then eventually the pillow I had been sleeping on for decades finally crapped out. I WAS going to buy one of his. At this point he had ZERO voice on politics. He was just a pillow salesman.

    And then right before I bought a new pillow, he goes on this rant about trump, and america, and blah blah blah.

    I didn’t buy the pillow.

    Think about that. He had a business that had been working fine for years. Nobody had ANY opinion on him, except “he’s the guy who sells pillows”. Thats it. Thats all he had to do. Just sell pillows, and don’t bring politics or religion, or whatever batshit conspiries he holds into the public eye. Just sell pillows. Thats all you had to do. You had one job.

    Instead, now everybody knows he’s a nutjob, and his business is failing. Oh well. So sad. Here’s a tiny violin.

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      The dude had his shit on WALMART shelves. He literally could’ve just coasted for the rest of his life and make a crazy amount of money on those shitty pillows. He had to work harder to crash this thing than he would’ve to just maintain the cash cow. Moron.

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        My mother bought me one, slightly after he started getting political. I was like, ehhh I might as well use it. I didn’t buy it, so why not? Worst fucking pillow I’ve ever had. Then later after it was clear he was insane, she bought me some sheets. Hate to admit it but the sheets were actually really good.

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      Dude won the pillow lottery and could have coasted through the rest of his life all of us could only dream of. But then he had to open his mouth and take it to 11.

      Small tip for you folks that somehow make it big selling shit to the public. Whether you’re right or left, best to keep it to yourself publicly. Certainly don’t go all in on an idiot that sprays Cheeto dust all over his face and does who fucking knows what to his hair.

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      He also claimed to be spending $1 million per month at one point trying to launch and maintain his social media app, Frank Social.

      lmfao what

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      Jesus Christ, how bad does it have to get where your 3 crack dealers get together to do an intervention? These are by far the most compassionate crack dealers on earth. One even babysat dude until he fell asleep? Wtf? This just goes to show that minnesotans are the nicest people on earth.

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        My favorite part is the implication that he was already at negative $2 million before the judgement.

        Rudy Giuliani is an American politician and inactive lawyer who has a net worth of -$150 million. On December 21, 2023 Rudy Giuliani filed for bankruptcy. The filing came days after he was ordered to pay $148 million in damages to two Georgia election workers who sued him for defamation.

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            Speaking of which, I just noticed that they need to update the quote from my previous comment from “inactive lawyer” to “disbarred lawyer,” LOL!