Do you think that the fediverse has something to gain with the enshitfication of discord? Are there voice chat programs in the fediverse that can benefit from it?

    • morgunkorn@discuss.tchncs.deEnglish
      559·
      9 months ago

      It’s unfortunately barely usable, the responsiveness and features of discord are unmatched, in my opinion

      • rglullis@communick.newsEnglish
        353·
        9 months ago

        It is not perfect, but it has been usable for quite a while. It’s clocking already at tens of millions of active users per month, so it’s not like all these people are just suffering around and not chatting and talking with their groups.

        Also, unlike Reddit, it does not need to have a strong migration from all the long tail of niche communities. There are bridges already, so even if just, e.g, 5% of the discord base moves to it, it will be already enough to jumpstart a significant shift.

        • morgunkorn@discuss.tchncs.deEnglish
          96·
          9 months ago

          I would love an alternative that works just as seemlessly yeah!

          The strength of Discord is its numerous partnerships with YouTube, Twitch, Patreon etc, making it trivial to gather paying supporters around a streamer or a video creator, attributing roles and perks automatically. I manage the patron community of a Minecraft gamer on YouTube and automatically sync the access to a community Minecraft server for people with a certain pledge on third part platforms, this would never work in the open source world, unfortunately

          • chiisana@lemmy.chiisana.netEnglish
            3·
            9 months ago

            I don’t know about other platforms, but YouTube membership is totally implementable on any other platform.

            The workflow anyone need to implement is the same flow Discord has implemented:

            1. Perform OAuth to get the user’s own channel using the mine filter on channels.list end point. This way the service can know SomeOneWatching is owner of channel UC1234ABCD
            2. Perform OAuth to get the host’s members on a fixed interval to get a list of all members, and match it against all known users’ channel IDs or target individual user like SomeOneWatching’s UC1234ABCD channel ID as part of filterByMemberChannelId on the same members.list end point.
            3. Upgrade users’ groups on the service to reflect membership accordingly, no direct YouTube partnership required.
            4. Revisit the same flow in 2 regularly to downgrade when memberships are not renewed; beyond the pubsubhubbub which notifies subscription content updates (new uploads/deletions) on a subscribed channel, YouTube does not have a push notification for automatic updates. This is why there’s always a slight delay when membership status changes.

            Source: I’ve worked in YouTube adjacent company using all of their public and several proprietary APIs for around 10 years now. I’m fairly familiar with their API offerings.

            • morgunkorn@discuss.tchncs.deEnglish
              1·
              9 months ago

              That’s good to know, i thought it was be some kind of exclusive deal between the two entities.

              Of course, convincing people to get off Discord when almost everyone already have an account, a desktop app and a phone app ready to go sounds like a hurdle, but with time and enough enshittification™ anything is possible!

      • imaqtpie@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
        73·
        9 months ago

        I wouldn’t say barely usable, but it does have a long way to go before it could be a replacement for discord, that’s true

    • XNX@slrpnk.netEnglish
      292·
      9 months ago

      No screen sharing or even video calls iirc. Soo many people use Discord to watch stuff with their friends or to play games with their friends. Matrix is more of a irc replacement imo it doesnt have any gaming focused features and the Forums on discord are nice too

    • Die4Ever@programming.devEnglish
      5·
      9 months ago

      I haven’t tried matrix yet. What’s a good instance I can create my community on and bridge with my discord? For gaming communities.

      • jg1i@lemmy.worldEnglish
        3·
        9 months ago

        For Discord like communities, I’d also suggest using Element as the Matrix client. It’s pretty similar to Discord. Also, you’ll need support for “spaces”, which are like Discord servers. Rooms = channels

      • Cagi@lemmy.caEnglish
        817·
        9 months ago

        Yeah, there are some glaring issues with account and content deletion. Lemmy too, for that matter. If I delete something, I don’t want it to be just slightly obscured and easily recovered, I want it to be erased, unseeable forever. But that aspect of privacy doesn’t count in the FOSS circle jerk hive mind. “Keeping illegal revenge porn online forever is worth it so long as they don’t tell advertisers what colour I like”.