Anyone else clueless as I am? I’m not in a position to turn on sound if there is any
They aren’t saying anything, but here’s the context. The UK criminalized
pro-Palestinian slogans in publica pro-Palestinian rights group called Palestinian Action. They use several slogans, most notably the “Support Palestine Action” slogan. They recently arrested a bunch of people for peacefully protesting with this group.This guy has a shirt that says “Support Plasticene Action” which, notably, does not reference Palestine at all though the words have an aesthetic similarity to the Palestine slogan. So the pigs are trying to see if they can arrest him for
hate speechfucking terrorism (wow) or not.Edit: got some important facts wrong, so corrected
This is close, but it is specifically in regards to a group called Palestinian Action, not Palestine or Palestinian people in general. The British government declared the group Palestine Action a terrorist group, and there is a preexisting law from 2000 which makes it illegal to support ‘terrorist groups’.
Of course the whole thing is ridiculous (Palestinian Action has never even hurt anyone), and many people have been publicly supporting Palestinian Action in protest. Over 500 people were arrested at a protest on the 10th.
How is supporting a victim of war crimes ‘hate speech’?
Because Fascists don’t care about truth or reason
Not hate speech. Terrorism. Punishable by up to 14 years in prison.
How is showing sympathy to victims of genocide considered terrorism?
Technically it isn’t. You can support victims of genocides as much as you like you just can’t do it while associating yourself with a particular organisation.
Not that that makes it much better.
It’s all going to the High Court, which is almost certainly going to deem this to be illegal and the arrests expunged. It’s just in the meantime the idiots have got over excited and think they’ve won and are doing stuff like this.
Because the world has totally gone to shit.
It’s not just the two we see - they are apparently in radio contact with additional tax fraudsters / wasters, probably of higher rank or even with a law degree.
Never let them tell they need more funds. Could defund plenty without affecting any actual service one bit.
I mean at least they are actually discussing if this is arrestable, in the USA, cops would just shoot you.
I’m sorry, I just see a bunch of people standing around.
They are holding his arm, so he is at least detained.
What’s going on with the guy with a plaid shirt and baseball cap?
Might be undercover.
Could be a friend or a member of the public joining to observe, get contact info, identify where the guy would be taken, coordinate jail support, etc…
Idk if that’s a thing in the UK tho.
Could just as well be malicious. Can’t know without further evidence.
Jus chillin’
Are you sure it’s the T Shirt and not those socks they’re arresting him for…?
British authorities: you not only have to decide that approximations of a representation of an outlawed group are illegal, which is shaky ground at best, but you would also have to decide that open support of a group that is guilty only of vandalism of military assets is also illegal. To do so, without encroaching on the fucking Magna Carta, which y’all invented, would require an assertion that direct action on behalf of a subset of members of the group disallows the freedom of expression to support the group writ large.
UPDATE: apparently the Magna Carta had to deal with power dynamics between the crown and various lords but was symbolic in that it reduced the power of the crown in its formerly dictatorial approach.
Apparently censorship is a complex ass topic in English history and has undergone continuous stepwise changes over the centuries, in areas as diverse as theatrical plays, print media, and speakers corners in Hyde park.
Y’all still be a bunch of bitches when it comes to freedom of expression though. The country of Orwell my hairy ass.
Scot Squad in action
combining words of the pleistocene and Palestine.
Not fans of claymation, I guess.
We need the Pingu version of V for Vendetta.
Noot noot!
Not fans of AI, actually. Under the Plasticine Action, it says “WE OPPOSE AI GENERATED ANIMATION”
Pardon my ignorance, but is wearing a shirt with the word Palestine on it and arrestable offense in England?
Pretty sure that’s Scotland, not England (Glasgow to be specific). But yeah, the British government decided carrying a Palestine Action sign was basically terrorism.
Palestine Action yes. An activism organization called Palestine Action was classified as a terrorist organization a few weeks ago by the UK government.
Y’all seem to have a lot going on across the pond, what with “who’s a terrorist,” or “is this dystopian?”
Have y’all considered electing a terrorist leader so that you instantly know the answers to those questions?
Ah yes, the accelerationist approach. Fight fire with fire, etc. Let’s see how it pans out!
A yes “the terrorist organization” label to censor anything they don’t agree. Don’t forget they’re trying to classify drug cartels/gangs as “terrorist organizations” too as excuses to invade other countries, specially in the global south.
Ah, thanks for the explanation
They graffitied two planes in protest against England’s support of Israel’s genocide, which makes them evil dangerous terrorists!
Not that I’d support them of course, I’m no terrorist - I fully support whatever genocides my country wants to participate in please do not gulag me Kid Starver oh no he’s in the hou
Some people of Palestine Action threw ink on a military plane parked on some airbase which is normally used for the surveillance flights of Gaza that the UK is doing to give the data to Israel, hence they were officially classified by the Home Secretary - Yvette Cooper - as “terrorist group” via a process which has no strict well defined criteria or Judicial oversight at all.
Because of that anybody who supports them in any way (including merelly voicing their support for them or holding a written paper with the name of the group) risks a prison sentence of (if I remember it correctly) up to 10 years.
Hence in the UK wearing a t-shirt with the words “Palestine Action” in it is a terrorist offense with a prision sentense of up to 10 years: it’s all pretty similar to the legislation Putin has to stop people in Russia demonstrating against the invasion of Ukraine, only I believe the prison sentences in Russia are actually lower.
(Britain isn’t quite at the “hold up blank piece of paper” stage like Russia yet, but judging by the copper arresting somebody wearing a “Plasticine Action” t-shirt, the police are already thinking along similar lines - the coppers in Britain are well aware that their job is to “serve the powerful” not “serve the public”)
Britain is a complete total authoritarian clown shown nowadays, though this shit is a pretty natural stage in the evolution of authoritarianism and represssion masquerading as Rule Of Law over there since around Tony Blair’s time.
so weird how we’ve mangled the word terrorism around to mean impeding a military machine or body. maybe this is just my brain turning to worm food but I could have swore it was explicitly when you kill civilians or destroy infrastructure in order to coerce a policy change. but that alteration probably wasn’t intentional or for any specific purpose.
25 years ago, the day I stopped watching TV news- the dramatic talking head told me that terrorists had attacked a US military base in Afganistan.
oof. yeah. I don’t like pointing at 9/11 and desert storm as the time when it changed but it REALLY seems like that was when it changed. I was 9 and got in a lot of trouble for not saying the pledge of allegiance and even though I was way to young to have a real opinion bback then you really can’t fault anyone for coming to the conclusion that we might be the fucking baddies
we might be the fucking baddies
It depends. Is it relative? Even then, sometimes we are and sometimes we aren’t.
There aren’t many nations that have their hands clean.
That was when I first noticed that word being abused so egregiously. I wouldn’t be surprised if it started before that.
Yeah, that was the inflexion point.
Back then, people were cautioning against this lingusitic slight of hand, this overuse of rhetorically charged language… because they could lead to a world where ‘everything i dont like is a terrorist’.
But they weren’t listened to, PATRIOT ACT passed, and we now live in the world we were told we would, but even worse actually, because the internet is forever and the NSA has been doing its damndest to make a permanent hard backup of all internet traffic at its mega data center in Utah for over a decade.
Ironically what this means is that Osama Bin Laden won.
He goaded us into destroying ourselves, and we did, we went insane.
The ‘Great Satan’ is doing just a bangup job of carrying out the NeoCon plan for an American Century, what with electing an incompetent idiot rapist who has basically single handedly caused the second Great Depression, and caused us to lose almost all of our international allies.
Eh, terrorism has always been a bullshit term. You just didn’t notice it. Governments perform “terrorism” all the fucking time, but they get to call it something else. Terrorism is just when you do something the state doesn’t like. Often it’s violent, and the term is used to maintain the state’s monopoly on violence, but it isn’t always. They’ve been allowed to influence public opinion using the term for far too long.
(Just in case, this comment is not condoning violence, only stating that the term terrorism is purposefully used by the state to turn people against specific groups.)
Yeah it’s supposed to be the use of violence to spread fear, usually for some political aim. I guess we’re counting “violence” against property now too 🙄
And specifically on civilian targets
By an amazing coincidence over-broad legislation made on top of a legally undefined word ended up used against things and groups which weren’t at all the claimed targets of that legislation.
This was also totally unexpected and nobody could ever had foreseen how they could be leveraged for such uses when those laws were first drafted and approved.
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Hopscotching backward time and time again into fascism because we laser focused on bad words and not the actual languages of power.
at least it looks like the guy in the video got off the hook by simply swapping a word around so there’s that. kind of funny in the context of what you said
Eh. 100 years ago, “terrorism” meant “assassinating royalty”.
did it actually? that is interesting.
ohhhh because it was coined during the French revolution. I should have guessed
But it doesn’t even say that.
I’m aware. He was being harassed for something similar which was why I asked
Why do these deep-fried rectums need to be in quasi-military garb and high-visibility vests?
That’s a British police uniform, standard issue.
All black with a high visibility vest, arresting people for words. Nice country.
I’m all for saying fuck the police, but what are you talking about with quasi-military garb and why are you bashing them for wearing high-vis vests?
These look like the worst equipped cops I’ve ever seen. I’m from the USA and I’ve seen Italian Police look harder than these guys, they at least had cars and sub-machine guns. These guys have boots, handcuffs, pepper spray, a fucking belt mounted medkit, a collapsible billy club, a baseball cap, cheap-ass-commercial-laundry-uniform-contract cargo pants, a black t-shirt, and a stab vest. The pigs don’t even have guns and they are wearing “please-don’t-run-me-over” safety vests.
The guys on the street have the right reaction, there’s obviously no threat here.
Dude, the Carabinieri are fucking SCARY. I’d rather face a US state trooper and a Canadian Mountie at the same time.
I’d definitely rather deal with Carabinieri, they’re usually just twenty-something year olds from anywhere in the country doing a little military service and that give varying degrees of a shit. Maybe not at airports and landmarks. American cops are jumpy and hyper aggressive always. You can get that from the Carabinieri but it’s half-hearted, not baked in to their identity.
Palestinian Faction is still allowed, no?
Would have also taken Pleistocene reaction.
Pal,It’sTime for Action
Oh sorry didn’t see you there officer, I was just saying its time for my #sick dance 🕺 moves, is dancing a crime, officer? 😏
Why not just get a load of stickers and slap em on every car bus etc flood the streets
Picture yourself in a train in a station
With Palestine porters with looking glass ties
