No, it’s not.
It’s an acknowledgement that there’s a massive problem.
These companies are literally willing to bankrupt you to death. Their behavior is inexcusable. They profiteer off of human suffering.
We live in a country founded by people who were unhappy with the status quo and were willing to pick up a gun to change things. We shouldn’t act surprised that it still happens. I don’t think we should celebrate it, because it’s sad that this is happening in the first place, that someone feels they need to do this. This problem is solvable, and it can be solved civilly, or it will be solved uncivilly.
Thats exactly how I feel “Its sad that this is looking like the solution”
Like, it had to come to this? You couldnt just set up your little racket and keep the golden goose fat and happy? Or atleast adequately provided for and left alone?
Yeah at this point I’m like “political action? Yeah we tried that. You said no to that. Wealth and power, like everything else, will always seek equilibrium. You’re the ones who decided it was going to be by guillotine.” I just got certified to teach violence deescalation classes after taking those same classes for years working in mental health. There’s one quote in particular that I’ve heard throughout multiple classes through multiple certifying agencies over that decade of working; “Violence is the language of the unheard” -MLK (you know, the “nonviolent protest” guy).
We’re are explicitly given the right to bear arms as a check to tyrannical governance.
Our government outsourced their tyranny to corporations.
Corporations should be well aware of strings being attached.
Agreed! Sad that all the debt and death these companies allow is ignored in these discussions.
Yeah they keep calling him radicalized. I just keep thinking this is a normal reaction and that corporate America and its shills are the radical ones.
“Would you shoot literal hitler in the back?” “Fuck yeah, bud” “Who radicalized you, everything that man did was legal”
Hey, hey, let’s not bring the H man into this. It’s not like the US is rounding up immigrants into concentration camps and making them work to pay off their deportation fees so that the US can have its slave labor without being dependent on China because we are at war over Taiwan……
I didn’t bring Hitler into this. “Literal Hitler” is an analogy, a character, not the real thing.
I’m making a joke
ah yes, i clearly noticed.
I’ve read the manifesto. I have the same thoughts as you. I wonder with all these people calling him radical if maybe there’s a fake manifesto out there. Something created JUST to make him sound crazy? That would explain the wildly different views of him being radical.
Remember, one month ago, the shooting hadn’t happened yet. Nobody knew Luigis name or face. So if you go from not knowing he exists, to seeing him murder a guy, and then get told he has plans for domination, and kill all the people…it would be logical to understand why someone would call that perspective radicalized.
That’s not what he is, or what he wrote, but if you read a fake manifesto, believed it to be real, that would explain people saying that.
Otherwise, I’m confused where “radicalized” comes from.
The media attempting to paint a narrative. Consent manufacturering machine go brrr.
People don’t read the manifesto, just the headlines calling him radicalised.
At first there were a lot of things floating around with people claiming to somehow have gotta access. Lot of sick fucks out there want to push an agenda.
Oh no, reality is leaking into the media! We must stop this unapproved narrative!
Read that in his voice, well done.
Sadly reasonable conclusions based on reality is pretty based.
Hi I’m new to Lemmy since Reddit decided to permaban me due to support I showed for Luigi. Good riddance to be honest. I should have fully quit when they shut down Apollo but didn’t know Lemmy existed.
Just keep in mind that if you are not satisfied with how your particular insrance is running, you don’t have to stop using lemmy like you did with reddit. You can switch to a different instance and keep on chilling!
No more switching services! Gotta love this place.
To expand on this: You can migrate accounts fairly easily. You can export your subscribed communities, and import them into your new account. So the only real thing you’re losing is your post history, but even that is seen as a bonus by many users who are looking to burn their old account.
Additionally, some instances disable up/downvotes as well so you don’t even need to worry about internet points if you don’t want to.
It’s worth looking around and finding a few instances you like and checking them out. Some tend to have their old local culture which is kind of neat.
Anyone with half a brain can see that it isn’t “glorifying” violence, it’s merely giving an explanation of why Luigi did what he did. Glorification would play more into pathos, but the manifesto is mostly ethos
the most dangerous thing to a government isn’t the people. it’s not the external forces.
it’s an idea so relatable to the public that the government loses containment of it and it spreads like fire in a grainery.
Reddit said so because it’s CEO is known to be a greedy bastard who threw everything and everyone Bunder the bus for money. Luigi would not approve
That’s what reddit banned, it’s so innocuous.
They didn’t ban it because it was dangerous or violent, They banned it because the anti-corporate and spez is a musk wanna be
Thiel is one of reddits earliest investors. spez is a Thiel boy.
This whole time I can’t believe how reddit managed to hold up a facade of being a cool progressive college student platform. They pulled the wool over everyone’s eyes. It’s as if they put lipstick on /pol/ and /b/. And everyone was like, alright a hip liberal platform. Sure if you ignore the iceberg of right wing bootlicking shit beneath the surface of the default subreddits.
barbara streissand has taught them nothing apparently
There are like 50 sentences of basic reality in there, but I suspect that a lot of the moderation challenge comes from one small phrase dropped into the middle: “it had to be done.”
With the inclusion of that, the 50 sentences of reality are recast as not just true but a valid justification for murder, even an argument that it was a duty, and that’s the rub.
It’s pretty shitty as far as manifestos go.
I mean, he claims responsibility, confirmed the existing evidence, then states his motives which aren’t hard to understand for even those out of the loop. I think the brevity and simple reasoning speak volumes louder than some maniacs scribblings found in a cabin. The fact that even those considered Semliterate would be able to grasp the bulk of his message was likely intentional.
Its actually not shitty at all, presuming his purpose was to inspire a shift in public discourse around the topic.
If he wanted it to be the centerpiece of a dramatic documentary miniseries, then yes, it was shitty.
I appreciate how quick a read is it. Much more likely for random people to read it and start thinking and then you can jump out of the bushes and go “surprise, you just read a manifesto!”
You agreed with a murderer, now what?
Yes it is. So what. The rich glorifies violence against the poor.
The leader of the country once said: “When the looting starts, the shooting starts”
So if its apparantly okay to use violence against alledged thieves (which is not okay btw, stealing should never equate a death sentence), then it must be okay to use violence against mass murderer CEOs.
“When the denying starts, the deposing starts” would be my rebuttal to that phase the ex-president said. Violence begets violence.
So if its apparantly okay to use violence against alledged thieves (which is not okay btw, stealing should never equate a death sentence), then it must be okay to use violence against mass murderer CEOs.
The reason violence against “looters” is permitted stems from their violation of the principles of the American caste system
Contrary to popular belief, you are not allowed to pull yourself up by your own bootstraps. You are only allowed to help yourself when you’ve received lending permission from a state recognized philanthropic sponsor. Otherwise, you are supposed to quietly drown in your own filth, where it isn’t inconvenient for anyone higher on the totem pole than you.
The caste system is sacred. Brian Thompson earned his position. Luigi Mangione deserved his miserable fate.
I like that you put “looters” in quotes. After hurricane Katrina, the news would show “looters” and “people trying to survive,” taking food items from grocery stores. I wonder what the difference was?
the difference
Skin hue
Yes, people were also taking electronics, but for food?
Yes, people were also taking electronics, but for food?
I believe there were a number of people accused of robbing stories when they were actually evacuating them from rising floodwaters. But, again, that boiled down to skin tone.
You get points for honesty, at least. Most people in here don’t even admit this is a call for violence.
It certainly doesn’t state it explicitly. It just says that the killer was the “first to face it” that way that implies that there is a possibility for more but the way I understood it was that current measures being taken aren’t enough, that doesn’t mean that other people wanting to take action should do so violently.
It also calls them parasites in the plural sense, as justification for it needing to be done.
most CEOs don’t murder, even the health insurance ones simply are committing theft analogs, simply not funding healthcare, not preventing those than can independently afford it from accessing it.
For a website with sections called nsfl and fight porn reddit takes a weird stance on manifestos.
You mean the website that didn’t ban creepshots until MSM reported on it? That website?
The jailbait subreddit was regularly on the front page and openly joked about for years, Spez was even a mod for a bit “as a joke” until Anderson Cooper did a story about it.
Fight porn is not what I was hoping for, yet not exactly disappointed in the result.
Glorifying violence is A-Ok when the government awards people the Medal of Honor.
Reddit needs to come up with a more accurate excuse for their censorship.
They must have some data that this time some thing is awakening against the corporate greed.
If sharing Luigi’s manifesto is glorifying violence then so is sharing the Declaration of Independence.
If only Thomas Jefferson had somehow managed to cap a member of English Royalty. Instead, then Jefferson crossed the pond to suck up to Louis XVI, shortly before the man went full Ropespierre’s Necktie.
But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same object, evinces a design to reduce them under absolute despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such government and provide new guards for their future security.
note that reddit didn’t have a problem with “orks must die jokes” or people celebrating war fotage as long as they celebrate the right peoples deaths
Drone kill footage is like the reciepts of investment, if not the product itself.
Not much of a Manifesto…, that’s just a Note my dudes.
Right like I (rightly or wrongly) associate the word “manifesto” with illogical rambling (maybe that’s just being a psych nurse, I’ve received a lot of gibberish manifestos at 2am) but every word of this makes perfect sense and are things I’ve been saying for years. Because over half my patients aren’t even manic or psychotic or have any other significantly mind altering disorder, they’ve just been pushed past every coping mechanism they had by this profoundly sick society we live in. One of the most powerful ways I help people in these crises is just by validating that and pointing them in the right direction. I’ve talked people out of literally physically punching me just by reminding them who we’re all really being oppressed by and trying to give them the emotional tools they need to put that anger back where it belongs.
He’s not any crazier than a construction worker out of work and living in poverty after losing their feet to diabetes because they’ve been living off fast food delivered to the jobsites they’ve spent most of their waking hours on for decades. He’s not any crazier than a veteran who’s been doing heroin for years to cope with their untreated service injuries and the realization that to get themselves out of poverty they were sent to Afghanistan to kill other poor people to make an oil baron more money. He’s not any crazier than a homeless mother of two living out of her car who can’t afford her kid’s inhaler.
Those types of situations are meant to induce anxiety and anger in people! We evolved (or even were designed by God if that’s how you view the world) to feel those emotions in the first place as a way to stimulate us to fight for our safety and protect ourselves. And what’s finally motivating people IS that realization that it doesn’t matter in the end if you’re black or white, religious or atheist, gay or straight, or ANY of that. My one hope out of all of this is that the illusion of the culture war is finally falling away. I’ve caught “normie” coworkers saying “the only war is the class war.” Conservatives and capitalist liberals; people I never would have guessed would see it. This can be the beginning if we let it be.
Manifestnote.
See, then you are giving a murderer’s message publicity. As opposed to UnitedHealthcare, responsible for far more many deaths, having the ability to have as much publicity and as many lobbyists as they want.
Alleged murderer.
I think he is more than just the (relatively trivial) allegations against him. He has rallied support for massively reforming the American Healthcare system, which will save countless lives, improve our quality of life, and ensure the financial stability of the American Public.
He has rallied support for massively reforming the American Healthcare system…
I would disagree with this. Nobody is talking about health care reform. People are talking about destroying an economic system that creates billionaires, and also about destroying the billionaires themselves. This hasn’t been a call for reform, it’s a call to arms.
The scariest thing is that people are beginning to accept that the system has always been rigged, and there is no other way to fix it.
Robert Kennedy also did quite a bit of rallying on that front. Kennedy’s why I voted for Trump.
Who? Never heard of 'em.
In this case, I think of more like Guy Fawkes……there is clearly a problem with the us death care system. And we are right to be angry with these companies that profiteer on our sickness and in some cases that result in people dying from delayed or denied care. Is is right to murder someone? No, of course not. I think the question to ask is who is the real murderer?
Thank you for posting this. I’ve been curious about what he wrote.
Shorter than some git commit messages. I’m a fan.
