Come to think of it, the Jedi are kinda dicks, they prevented anakin becoming a master despite his obvious talented skills in saber combat and his power in the force.
Not to mention, lore wise they let mundi have relations with his family where as it would’ve been a kick out for anakin.
Lastly, the jedi were sorta arrogant for thinking that nothing was wrong or that they were perfect despite having literal counterarguments from rebellious masters, Qui Gonn being a good example of somebody smelling the bullshit that the jedi were involved in.
So my fellow sith lords and jedi knights, what say you?
More than that, they’re just stupid.
Here’s just one example of dumb Jedi stuff. I just rewatched the prequels and it occurred to me, that Anakin didn’t really suddenly turn to the dark side because his mom died. He turned to the dark side because he didn’t have any friends to check him when he’s being a douche bag… The dude literally has nobody to talk to except for Padma, and he’s forbidden from pursuing a romantic relationship with her, which is super frustrating. This is a scenario destined for failure. What he really needs are some friends he can talk to and vent at about his shitty situation.
Here’s the weird thing though, remember that scene where Yoda is training a whole class of little padawans? Those padawans at least have a cohort, they have a group they can bond with and lean on as they grow up and continue their training. So if that’s the way they run things, where is Anakin’s cohort? Why is he isolated? Anakin has a single person as his mentor, boss, teacher, therapist, dad and only friend, that’s not really healthy. And when that one person is gone for an extended period, that leaves Anakin with absolutely no support structure and a lot of temptation to make bad choices, this is setting him up for failure. Cause let’s be honest, he’s a teen, making bad choices is what they do.
The whole reason they didn’t want to train him in the first movie was that he’s too old.
No. “Master” Jedi are in control of their emotions to the point where they don’t, for example, genocide a tribe, or kill their secret wife. They also objected to a power hungry politician interfering with their internal operations, and it turns out they were right about both people.
The Jedi failed their duty to the Republic by becoming isolated from the actual people and not addressing the corruption that had overtaken its leadership, partly in their desire to follow proper protocol and an appearance of objectivity, like in allowing slavery to flourish on Tattoine which wasn’t in Republic space.
Don’t think about that lesson too much.
Also, the thing I hate absolutely the most about Star Wars is that the “fans” don’t know shit about Star Wars, and it’s not that deep.
He clearly proved that he wasn’t ready to be a master - it’s not like a martial arts rank that you mostly just get because you’re skilled, they also want you to be able to embody the ideals they stand for (flawed as they may be).
They certainly could have trained him better, but that makes them idiots, not assholes. But first and foremost, their most important failure was not detecting that Palpatine was a sith.
Mundi had a special exemption because his species was going extinct, and it was always supposed to be about attachment anyway - it’s plausible that Mundi was able to produce offspring without personal attachment. Anakin could never have done it like that.
I don’t know if it’s cannon anymore, but mundi definitely didn’t have attachment towards his children.
He was abusive and completely detached
Anakin shouldn’t have been a master. Being good at fighting doesn’t make you a good leader. The Jedi aren’t Klingons.
Well I mean, what did you expect with space samurai?
i think the fact he was turned so easily proves he shouldnt have been trained to the extent he was. that single failure caused the eventual death of millions
Yeah, the jedi were wrong, but the facts really point to “they were wrong to be so lenient”. Sure, if they’d let him become a master he might have had a bit more loyalty. But anakin was already too enslaved to his emotions, and even if they made him a master and condoned his relationship with padme, something else would be the spark that sideous used to turn him.
He trained from what, 8 years old until 20? They could have taught him to deal with emotions healthily instead of just saying “emotions bad, Jedi good”. There’s plenty of real-life examples of troubled people becoming healthy with the love and support of their family
Yes, but if all Jedi are trained the way described, do any of the masters know how to deal with emotions?
They don’t, because it’s a fundamental systemic flaw of the Order. Someone like Anakin was innevitable, and those people show up regularly within the knights. Dooku and Ventress had similar problems, and that’s just major figures contemporary to Anakin. The Inquisitors were others with similar issues, and even they are just from the small fraction of Jedi that survived the innitial purge.
It’s really not a coincidence that the most well adjusted Jedi spent so much time away from the Order.
So yes, they are all assholes.
