I’m talking about this sort of thing. Like clearly I wouldn’t want someone to see that on my phone in the office or when I’m sat on a bus.
However there seems be a lot of these that aren’t filtered out by nsfw settings, when a similar picture of a woman would be, so it seems this is a deliberate feature I might not be understanding.
Discuss.
Yes.
The tag is Not Safe For Work. I’d say that if you were to look at this in most work places you’d probably be speaking to HR within the hour…
Yes. Problem is that NSFW has lost its original meaning to a lot of people. NSFW was originally to hide things that might be controversial to be visible on your screen in a workplace, so it should be fairly conservative. Beachwear would 100% not be safe to look at in a work environment.
But now a lot of places are using it to determine what is safe to look at not in front of your boss, but in front of your kids or in public. That is a much different thing. NSFW flags should not be used to restrict kids from seeing it, just your boss. There needs to be a separate flag for hiding things from kids. And because social norms are different in different societies, there should be even more granularity in the flags. Nudity is just one thing that is NSFW.
NSFW should be reserved for blocking things that I don’t want to suddenly appear on my screen when I’m browsing the Internet on my break at work when I’m allowed to browse the Internet, but it wouldn’t be good for a naked picture to show up on my screen suddenly.
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As a huge Anime fan, with some catching up to do, I’ve blocked every anime adjacent community, because NSFW filtering isn’t applied as strictly as I would prefer, on the Anime communities here.
I enjoy a good sexually charged image as much as the next person, perhaps more.
But I scroll Lemmy in front of my impressionable daughter sometimes.
I would like to catch up on Anime recommendations, here.
But, to me, it’s just not worth the risk of suddenly needing to explain to my daughter why Faye Valentine’s parents didn’t love her enough to buy her full sets of clothing.
[email protected] mostly posts key visuals and posters, episodes discussions, and news. Stuff you’d see in public.
The actual fanart side of things tends to stick to [email protected] and [email protected]
the risk of suddenly needing to explain to my daughter why Faye Valentine’s parents didn’t love her enough to buy her full sets of clothing.
That wouldn’t be an issue if you’d fulfilled your duty as a parent and educated her on the classics.
That wouldn’t be an issue if you’d fulfilled your duty as a parent and educated her on the classics.
You have a point, actually.
I would personally adhere to US Beachwear rules unless mods specify otherwise.
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No nipples, exceptions being for explicitly male, of photographs of cultures that generally do not cover breasts, or certain artistic or medical references.
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No pubic region that reveals any genitalia or anus.
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There is no third rule, literally anything goes, including the image you were wondering about.
So while some people might object to a lot of the content we see, I don’t personally think it is problematic. Especially when your instance has images collapsed by default, except for thumbnails.
- Gratuirous inages of children not relevamt to the plot
Those don’t require an NSFW tag because they’re actually strictly illegal throughout most of the world. You should report those regardless of if it’s got the correct tags, if not to the moderators then to the authorities.
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Yes. All academic points aside, it’s not socially-acceptable to view stuff like this in public.
I would have no problem if that popped up in my feed while I was in a public place.
That said, I don’t think it would be safe for work, so the nsfw would apply. But I would not be browsing Lemmy at work either.
If you want to start your path down the reddit rabbit hole, yeah. Else, no
There is no social media that would consider summer clothes NSFW, you are taking it too seriously, it just means “not porn”.
This is a weird thread… Lots of people really give a shit about what others think about the content they consume. There’s also a lot of strange presumptions about people who watch anime and how it’s creepy when adults watch it. If you were just described above, maybe you should reevaluate some things.
If you would get in trouble for this image on your phone at work, then you really should not be on Lemmy at work. I’m sure there are perfectly acceptable threads for your workspace on Lemmy, but then again, people used to read the articles in playboy magazine. Also, the example image is only sexual if you sexualize it, which you are doing by saying it should be marked nsfw. If the local news stations are comfortable showing gymnasts and swimmers and volleyball players in their respective uniforms, then why should this be any different? Lastly, if that drawing is making you uncomfortable, I don’t know how to help you because this is so so so incredibly far from the worst content you can find on this site. Maybe you shouldn’t be on here at all if that’s the case.
It’s only weird if you make it weird and this whole thread is making it weird.
The difference between this and swimming attire is context. Seeing a swimming competition on the communal TV at work doesn’t make you look like a creep but checking out drawings of a half-naked anime girl on your personal device does.
People who want to watch NSFW links can click the links
People who want NSFW stuff in their feed can tick “Show NSFW content” and untick “Blur NSFW content”. There’s no reason to argue with other people for wanting to use the NSFW tag for exactly what it was designed and named for.
Yes, there is.
Should XY be tagged as NSFW is not asking about if the tag should exist on certain topics (that’s indeed something you can ignore with your own settings) but about if people should be forced to flag stuff as NSFW. And I refuse to tag stuff as NSFW just because I can imagine someone, somehow, in some rare context wanting that tag. Because by then it lost all meaning and we should do an “Yes this is safe for 4 years olds”-tag instead.
I claim that it’s quite clear that this is not suitable for work. HR are not going to get cross with me for browsing memes in my lunch break on my phone, but if this comes up, it’s clearly not OK, and I don’t think I’m at all unusual in having a work environment like that.
I’m just asking that we try to use Not Suitable For Work to mean not suitable for work. You might feel that my workplace is weird, but that’s not what you’re arguing, so I think you’re kind of missing the point of the tag. Yay internet freedom and all that, but tagging something that’s very likely to get someone in trouble at work as NSFW is just being a considerate person. That’s all. People are still free to see it, but it gives them the freedom to choose to filter it out and use their phone when they’re on a break at work.
Again, I think you’re on the wrong site at work then. Lemmy is not suitable for your workplace and you’re asking us to make it suitable for your workplace.
You can say I shouldn’t be on social media at work as much as you like, but until you’re writing my pay cheques, it doesn’t mean anything. We lead different lives, you and I. I’m sorry that your work doesn’t allow you down time at lunch, but try not to hate on me for working at a place that does.
All I’m asking is that folks use the Not Suitable For Work tag on things that are not suitable for work. I just don’t see that as a particularly big or bad thing to ask.
What makes you so keen to see this stuff at work anyway?
I didn’t say that. And I am completely allowed on social media at work. But that image wouldn’t get me any heat for being on my phone. You are not the authority on what is and is not suitable for all work places and I’m glad that’s the case because your aim is to create a more censored internet. Just because you are sexualizing that anime woman, does not mean we all need to.
Sure? I’m not arguing against that?
Sorry, I could have been clearer that I was agreeing with you!
Oh, lol. Well that goes both ways : I misunderstand posts fairly often =) Sorry!
That would be perfectly acceptable where I live and work. No nudity, no tits, no genitals, move along…
On the other hand, anime in general is relegated to teens more than not here, so any anime would raise eyebrows if seems browsing from my phone by others given I am definitely not a teen by large.
YMMV, but different cultures different sensibility.
Should Lemmy be a MCM or a MCD? I think this should be the question.
On the other hand, anime in general is relegated to teens more than not
Does anyone else find this creepy?
You find it creepy that most consumers of anime are teens?
I don’t get it?
This whole problem would be solved by adding more tags as per this proposal: https://github.com/LemmyNet/rfcs/pull/4 and enabling more filtering.
but @[email protected] and @[email protected] didn’t look at it for months and I don’t know what is their stance on it. The dev that wanted to implement it doesn’t want to spend energy to push forward for a green light.
I have no idea why is this such a debate.
NSFW is such a loaded term.
There is no need for any “green light”, if there was a problem with the rfc we would have said so from the beginning. From what I can tell the rfc is not completed yet, and when it’s completed someone still needs to step up to implement it. Even my own rfc which was finished months ago is still not merged and not implemented.
What would need to be done to complete it?
Well someone has to write the code.
I know someone that is willing to implement this feature, but they are waiting for merge of rfc to open a Pull Request with initial implementation.
As I understand the RFCs are for defining scope and design requirements for specific feature. And when the design is finalised RFC is merged. Then someone opens a PR to implement it.
If you were imagining some other process it would be beneficial to acknowledge change of development phase from designing to implementing.
P.S. The readme in the repo is supporting my view.
The RFC is merged now!
https://github.com/LemmyNet/rfcs/blob/main/0004-post-tags.md
block .ml, problem solved =D
No, that doesn’t solve the problem. You have to have a merge accepted by the owners of the repo, unless someone wants to start a new fork and maintain that.
Having looked at your referenced image. No. She is appropriately clothed for summer.
In certain states in the US, a woman can choose to be topless anywhere a man can be. This woman is not topless.
Also maybe not visit Lemmy or any social media at work.
As far as on the bus? I guarantee that there’s a woman on the bus in similar atire off it’s summer.
Also, Americans are usually more prude, especially when it comes to the female body, than what is healthy (I understand that you would not want to make an attempt at social change starting in the workplace though).
Op, if my HR dept saw me scroll by that pic… It would be an annoying conversation. Like while I’ll agree, there’s no nudity… I would get in trouble. I’ve left some chatroom due to this… People just don’t understand that I don’t care but the folks cutting my checks will make a thing of it
I am of the opinion that there should be more granularity to NSFW than a simple binary.
I’m a fan of how e621 does things:
rating:s (safe)
rating:q (questionable)
rating:e (explicit,)
But I would add another:
rating:t (traumatic, known elsewhere as Not Safe For Life)
Call it “purity” and allow users to filter posts to allow or block any arbitrary combination of purity levels (wallhalla, formerly wallbase, does this if you want to see how it could work).
Moreover I don’t think these need to be on a single scale. Like, trauma isn’t “more” than pornographic, it’s just something completely different (ideally).
There can be a scale of safe to unsafe for a variety of reasons, and people might be able to filter what they see more proactively based on their own tolerances (and interests).
But then again complexity can be a deterrence. Tagging and cataloging can be a big content management problem and I think most want to do the simplest thing possible.
But maybe content advisory could be a crowd sourced effort, using a up/down ranking on explicit categories just like we can do on posts.
It would be great if everything could be classified in this way, but is it practically possible to apply a more complex system like this across instances, given that we struggle with the simpler NSFW tag?
The reason why people are struggling with one tag may also be exactly because it’s only one tag.
It’s difficult to categorize gray as black or white, after all.
Imo, the real issue is how not to go overboard, adding more and more tags, and keeping things easy to filter.
Perhaps. I’m not expert but I’m just not convinced you’d get good compliance across instances.
After all, even minimal non- compliance makes the whole thing pointless
Can’t the same be said about what we have right now, though?
No system is flawless, but you’d be surprised the lengths people will go to uphold the ones that work.
I think if you wouldn’t use it as your wallpaper at work because it is inappropriate for work, that’s NSFW. So yeah at my job that would be NSFW.
Why do these anime girls always look like they’re in their teens? Extremely creepy.
I recently discovered Korean manga.
A lot of comics and protagonists are college age or in their 20s, compared to Japan’s 10 yo saving the world.
Because the target audience is usually teens.
The most optimistic explanation I have been able to arrive at is that they are less intimidating for fragile male egos. However, I concur wholeheartedly: Extremely creepy.
