Palestinians aren’t a threat to israel.
Israel is a threat to Palestinians.
But Hamas is or maybe was a threat to Israel
Israel already had one or the two piece puzzle to stopping Hamas from being a threat; they had a strong air-defense system, and could’ve used their military reserves to actually properly defend their border. A disgrace that motorcycles and gliders could just waltz on over, especially in lieu of known intelligence of an impending attack.
Leveling Gaza only exacerbates radicalization for decades to come without actually addressing the root causes for said radicalization.
They’re just following the Western playbook for counter-terrorism but it’s next level deranged
If you punch people they are a threat because they might punch back - israel
Hamas never posed an existential threat to Israel.
“Major” meaning they couldn’t pull off another October 7th
Though really they shouldn’t have been able to pull off the first October 7th.
Yup, reminder that they ignored prior warnings
And strongly suspected of outright sponsoring Hamas to generate the casus belli
That’s not even just a strong suspicion, that’s established fact. Even aggressively pro-regime rags such as Times of Israel, The New York Times and The Jerusalem Post acknowledge as much.
In the 7th attacks maybe but we don’t know yet. We do know that Israel has funded them in the past though
Yeah I find it hard to believe that the Israeli intelligence apparatus, Mossad, one of the best HUMINT organizations on par with the old Soviet Union KGB, failed to see October 7 coming.
Also warnings from US SIGINT that an attack was probable about a month in advance.
Palestinian civilians would also be allowed to return to their homes across the enclave
Oof.
They’ll be welcome to pick up the rubble and extract the remains of their family on their own time and labor.
his agreement/plan also called for extensive reconstruction efforts for gaza…
Hundreds of thousands of temporary shelters would also be delivered.
Reconstruction will not be overnight and theres a lot of things like schools and hospitals to rebuild too.
The plan is to work with partners towards reconstruction. I know that terminology well: If I am to compare this to how this kind of stuff is handled domestically after say, a natural disaster: a lot of people are going to be left waiting a long time in rubble.
It’s ridiculous how much rebuilding takes, at least in the US, and how much racism and classism plays into it.
I went to NOLA like 5 years after Hurricane Katrina and most of the houses I saw in “certain” (poor) neighborhoods still had the spray paint on them from first responders. Also one of the (predominantly black) universities there I don’t think had fully rebuilt either at that point while the other (predominantly white) university had just gotten a new sports field.
I just can’t imagine being in a war torn place where much of the world hardly acknowledges you as a human and trying to rebuild your community.
It just blows my mind every day the cruelty in this world - and the fact that there are so many genocides happening simultaneously. I still remember when I was a small child finding out that WW2 did not hold the only genocide the world had ever or would ever see. I still can’t quite wrap my head around it.
For me it was rodney king, figured that shit belonged back in the 1800s and we weren’t a bunch of fucking barbarians any more. It’s hard, coming from what should be, into what is.
I think estimates are month or two ago was that it would take upward of a decade to clear rubble. Unless Israel ends its siege they will have a hard time importing any building materials, and countries that historically sponsored major works such as hospitals and universities will be reluctant to do so, because why invest hundreds a of millions into a construction project that Israel will just bomb a few years later?
Palestinian civilians would also be allowed to return to their homes across the enclave
Trust me, if Bibi were allowed to craft policy unilaterally this WOULD NOT HAPPEN. Yes, tens of thousands of homes have been destroyed but THEY CAN AND MUST BE REBUILT INSTEAD OF CONVERTED INTO NEW SETTLEMENTS.
The threat is gone, Israel. You can stop killing innocent children now.
Oh I know you won’t regardless. Honestly, why do you claim to be “defending yourself” anyway if you’re basically doing this?
It’ll never be gone because too many people feel like they need to hold onto their hatred.
Of course they can find an excuse.
Jesus Christ, joe. I guess I was wrong and you haven’t been paying attention to the subject for the last 70+ years?
Hamas is just an arm of the resistance movement against western/american imperialism, which mostly means israel over there, it being the client state. they want their land back.
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Ok, so is he willing to finally enforce a cease-fire?
Even if he is, there’s probably a law on the books restricting what he can do towards that end, because fucking AIPAC apparently had the advance plans for how the 10/7 war would play out and slapped a shitton of barriers down on cutting aid to israel or consequencing them in any way at the peak of the “criticizing israel is antisemitism!” mindset
One day Palestine will be free just like all those old colonized countries
After what they just did they just have radicalized way more people than the number of Hamas fighters they managed to kill.
Cool, so you’ll stop giving Israel money and/or weapons, right?
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Right?
Biden telling Israel to stop, without interfering. Complain all you want about Biden, but he just did what you wanted.
We demand him to interfer. We demand hi to stop sending weapons and to sanction Israel. We demand war criminals to be brought to justice, instead we get the ICC threatened by the US.
Also the proposal of Biden is practically the same as the peace deal Hamas has accepted a few weeks back and was rejected by Israel, only then for the US to send more weapons, which since have been used to massacre women and children again and again.
Israel has actually rejected this “deal” already despite Hamas being in favor. Biden can fuck off and so can the hundreds of his sycophants on Lemmy. Before I get accused of supporting trump. I don’t and I can’t vote in your bs election anyway so shove that where the fucking sun don’t shine.
Biden did fuck all. Until there are severe sanctions on Israel government, Biden can fuck off.
Sanctions won’t do anything, Israel have their own defense industry pumping out legitimately very high quality and large volumes of arms.
I don’t care about Israel, I care about their genocidal government. Which should get ICJ warrants and a full set of sanctions.
Remember when the left wing used to complain about how the US used to be too involved in foreign affairs?
I do.
So we can’t ask for intervention over ongoing genocide that the US is funding?? Pull all funding from Israel, place high level sanction on Israel/Israeli leadership on par with Russia, and stop sending them fucking bombs. Stop trying to act like Biden hasn’t been complicit in what’s been happening.
Wow, glad he stopped sending some bombs after Israel destroyed as much of the housing infrastructure as possible. All while he continues to send weapons and now possibly F-15s to Israel. Fuck Biden and his monstrous administration.
You can’t call it good faith to say, “hey, cut it out” while checks notes STILL SUPPLYING WEAPONS.
I didn’t want him to be a hypocrite if that’s what you’re implying
Some of those weapons are used by the Iron Dome system provide protection for Israeli civilians when Hamas fires rockets at them. Do you want Israeli civilians to die from Hamas rockets?
Now the best defense for both Israelis and Palestinians would be to get everyone to agree to a ceasefire. Which is exactly what Biden is doing. But until that happens we know what Hamas will do if Israel doesn’t have adequate defenses. We saw this on October 7.
The goal of the “stop supplying Israel with weapons” narrative is to allow Hamas to do what they want, which is genocide on the Israeli people. Is that what you want?
