• Deestan@lemmy.world
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      We need more like her who take the threat as a threat and act like it’s a threat.

      Being “serious” or calm about it is not working, and catastrophically so.

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          Exactly. They’ve come here to troll and look for a fight. Don’t engage them.

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            Eyyy, look at this guy. He openly supports the political ideology whose representatives worldwide have stonewalled every action to combat climate change, and he thinks we should give anything he says on the subject due consideration.

            What a jokester.

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                    Tesla has serious quality control issues. They have serious design issues like being deliberately obtuse in the name of “innovation”. They haven’t made any significant improvements to any of their cars since the launch.

                    Most importantly, they have serious leadership issues. Particularly, a long history of deception and broken promises.

                    Musk was in the right place at the right time to launch Tesla. He’s got a pretty good corner on the battery market, and hopefully he doesn’t abuse that.

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                Electric cars don’t help save the planet, they help save the car industry.

                Walkable / bikeable cities, and better public transit are better.

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                You vote against your own self-proclaimed interests.

                You can’t vote conservative in the 21st century without being either a self-interested jackass trying to protect your own hoard of wealth, or an idiot who has been convinced by the wealth hoarders that conservatives are looking out for anyone but them.

                The people you vote for are the reason why this planet is on a collision course with fucked. The only reason Elon started bought an electric car company is because he saw a market ripe for exploitation and convinced idiots that he was a Stable Genius who wanted to save the world so they’d buy his shittily-made cars. He’s the richest person on the planet and could easily solve untold numbers of problems threatening humanity and Earth by himself, but he’ll only do the things that will make him even more money in the process.

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                Oh well gee I stand corrected. You’re a paragon of climate conscientiousness. I will not take anyone who posts articles from Fox News seriously. Actually in any matter come to think of it.

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          Hmm… seems like you should thank her.

          Because she participated in that protest, she got arrested, a news source wrote about it, and you got to bring up good points about how we need to take more action.

          Yeah she babbles speaks about the issues, but since she’s not (yet?) an elected official, what else would you have her do?

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              Ah yes, the person who has rallied up more people (current and future voters) globally around the climate issue than anyone else as of late has done nothing to help. I think what you mean is that she annoys you.

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              She literally formed the largest climate protest movement in the world, while you sit here and spread dumbass conspiracy bullshit about her.

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          You’re still advocating individual car ownership as a sustainable future…buses, trams, trolleys, LRT, trains. 6000lbs (2200kilos) just to get a few groceries is over kill.

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                What do you mean you can’t come up with a transportation solution to transport millions of people around at any given moment that’s more convenient than them being able to travel to their destinations on their own without a long schedule?

                In case I need it, /s.

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                Not just in Lemmy, but I think there’s an increasing divide between the demographic I’m going to call “has only ever lived in a major city” and “everyone else”, especially online.

                A shocking amount of people (to me) have never once in their life lived in an area with less than like 500,000 people. To many of these people, it is incomprehensible to imagine that a lot of people have legitimate needs for cars. They have good intentions, and many of them are otherwise smart people, but they really struggle to imagine how and where many Americans live, and what all goes into things like the transportation of goods and services.

                Public transportation is great! But without what would be the largest investment in infrastructure in human history by several magnitudes there’s simply no way to just get rid of 90% of car ownership or whatever.

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          Did you even read the article? That’s literally what they’re calling for. The removal of subsidies.

          As for everyone needing to pitch in, just no. The vast majority of emissions come from sources outside public control. The “everyone needs to pitch in” and “watch your personal carbon footprint” crap is just effective marketing from BP.

          Not saying cutting down personal emissions is bad, every little helps…

          but it’s not a solution. We need to be holding the big emmiters accountable.

          The only realistic way to doing that is through inconvenient protests like blocking roads and making sure we can’t be ignored. How else do you force governments to turn on their benefactors?

          It’s been over 50 years now, and we’ve seen very little real movement on this. it’s been mostly token and empty gestures, and pandering. It’s time we stepped up our game.

          Soooo she’s got the right idea imo

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          Addicted to the attention? I know nothing about her except her age and her stance on climate change

          She doesn’t go off topic, she doesn’t do talk shows. Maybe she loves the attention deep down, but she stays on mission…She doesn’t abuse the privilege. She’s allowed to enjoy the process, I hope she does.

          I challenge you to follow your convictions to that extent

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      What is the most downvoted comment on lemmy? Would you like a sense of pride and accomplishment?

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      You need both.

      Some people won’t ever hear anything about the issues until they see some weird kid do these stunts or see that someone their age can have a word in the discussion too.

      Others are more likely to pay attention to scientists, the type that read more intellectual literature.

      And then there’s those who won’t ever change their mind because they’ve been spoonfed corporate propaganda and thanks to religion and just generally being dumbasses, are perfectly primed to be managed in this way.

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      She’s a hero, she’s the reason why everyone is talking about climate change - even my kids are trying to make better choices and saying they’ve learned about it because of her, they’ve never heard of you.

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          They are vegan, they get involved at their school on environmental improvements, they make sure they don’t waste etc. and they make sure to highlight the plight of the future to others.

          I honestly don’t know how you can look at Greta Thunberg and underestimate the impact she’s had on public discourse on climate change.

          In before trolls have a go at them for being vegan, this very respected recent meta analysis published in science clearly finds that going vegan is the number one thing you can do to help most climate change factors https://josephpoore.com/Science 360 6392 987 - Accepted Manuscript.pdf

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              You have never seen any impact because you’re trying to mash your hands over your ears and close your eyes. I literally just told you the an impact she’s had on my family and you still don’t recognise an impact.

              Of course, I’m sure anecdotes mean nothing to you, so look further at the awards, media attention, speeches, international demonstrations that started with her. Zero impact? Jesus, we are having this conversation because of her.

              Honestly, if you can’t imagine that this particular household name, face of Time magazine and organiser of global protests has had any impact at all, you probably also believe that the moon landing was faked, the election was stolen, the earth is flat, and there’s no helping your unhealthy relationship with bad takes.

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                  Unfortunately, that says more about American discussion - America has moved beyond left Vs right to reality Vs “alternative facts”. For example, climate change denialism, large vaccines cause autism, the election fraud nonsense. Unfortunately, given that opportunistic morons like America’s republican party have politicised and denied climate change, I’m sure they’ll be a segment of the population that will blame anything, including Greta.

                  So yes, I do agree with you that the large anti science wing of America wouldn’t warm to her, but they never would have.

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          People here are making fun of you, but you’re not letting that stop you, so you have that in common.

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      Genuinely curious: what does a “serious person” do to change minds here?

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          Well, those are two very different things. One is essentially for politicians and basically amounts to “just get Congress to do better” (a whole lot easier said than done) and one is an act that essentially has to be championed by a person or organization and then implemented by a masse of people. Greta has called for boycotts before, so under this definition she’s good under your boat.

          I’ve read other comments of yours, and many of them are reasonable (more reasonable than the average user at least) and not worthy of downvotes. But your solutions seem to be missing a few steps between “be where we are now” and “just get everyone to drive a hybrid”.

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        He mods his own conservative echo chamber at Lemm.ee. He doesn’t get any votes there either. He absolutely doesn’t care that he’s alone, which is a good thing I suppose because he absolutely is alone. His fellow mods call him out all the time.