U.S. President Joe Biden said on Tuesday that Hamas had repeatedly raped women and mutilated their bodies during its Oct.7 assault on southern Israel, citing survivors and witnesses of the attacks.
Oh man, that’s awful. I hope Israel responded by working with their regional partners and the UN to free the hostages and isolate and discredit Hamas. With a measured response and a little diplomacy, they could probably get the hostages returned safely and show the whole world that Hamas is illegitimate and needs to be defunded and dismantled. Even Gazans are sick of their shit. Hamas got like 40% in an election 18 years ago and haven’t held an election or done shit for ordinary people since.
Sure but how do you think Gazan feel about IDF? Every person at least one family member, some lost their entire family. not to mention their homes, their shops and their lively hood.
Even Palestinian from west bank where not spared with illegal settlers harassing them, kicking them out of their land and stealing their crops.
Please don’t get me wrong Hamas is a terrorist organization but so is Natanyahu and his government.
No don’t you know they deserve it cause they voted in Hamas.
I wonder why the same doesn’t apply for Americans and the war crimes their country has committed.
Do you have evidence of that? Because some polling has been done over the last few months, and it’s been showing consistently high support for Hamas and the October 7th attacks in general. The reason why the Palestinian Authority hasn’t held elections in the West Bank in ages is because Hamas would probably win them.
I shouldn’t have to say this, but that of course does not mean that civilians deserve to be bombed.
TL/DR: I used to work in politics (in the U.S.) so I’m gonna be long-winded here but in short: I’m not sure how accurate any poll in Gaza can be. But here’s my thoughts:
Firstly, how accurate can polls be in any autocratic place? If your town was ruled by violent goons, would you tell some caller from an unknown number (or a stranger face-to-face) that you disapprove? Putin probably has great poll numbers.
Even if they are accurate, there’s always a “rally around the flag” effect at the start of a war. So, post Oct 7 polls might be weird. (Like, George W Bush had a 90% approval rating for a brief period.) It could be like asking “Do you support the troops?”
A third issue with Gaza polling is when they ask it like “Do you support Hamas or Fatah?” You can hate Hamas and not want corrupt, weak, ineffectual leaders shipped in from the West Bank.
So, I think it’s reasonable to expect the “true” margin of error to be way higher than a typical poll in a stable, peaceful, democratic country. If it’s +/- 20%, you can find a poll that suits your agenda.
But if they did that, how would Biden subsidize the military industrial complex by giving billions and billions of dollars to Israel so they can buy American weapons and ammunition to continue the same oppressive slaughter of Palestine?
The guns and ammunition need to be spent on someone, might as well be spent on the brown people half the world away, like every American “war” after the Civil one.
And just to note, this abject dependence on the military industrial complex to enrich the 1% has not caused a consistent and constant slide to the right of the entire US Federal government. All 2 sides.
And we couldn’t have done this for Ukraine at the same level because if we did, we wouldn’t be within sucking distance of Putin’s tiny shriveled peen.
Mexican American War, killing brown people close to home for practice before doing it abroad. Our country fucking loves killing people as much as Kanye loooooovesss hitler
Oh man, that’s awful. I hope Israel responded by working with their regional partners and the UN to free the hostages and isolate and discredit Hamas. With a measured response and a little diplomacy, they could probably get the hostages returned safely and show the whole world that Hamas is illegitimate and needs to be defunded and dismantled. Even Gazans are sick of their shit. Hamas got like 40% in an election 18 years ago and haven’t held an election or done shit for ordinary people since.
Sure but how do you think Gazan feel about IDF? Every person at least one family member, some lost their entire family. not to mention their homes, their shops and their lively hood.
Even Palestinian from west bank where not spared with illegal settlers harassing them, kicking them out of their land and stealing their crops.
Please don’t get me wrong Hamas is a terrorist organization but so is Natanyahu and his government.
Don’t forget all the murders happening in the West Bank.
No don’t you know they deserve it cause they voted in Hamas. I wonder why the same doesn’t apply for Americans and the war crimes their country has committed.
@Auli the last time Hamas was even voted in was back when George W Bush was still president in America.
You… Think too highly of Israel.
Do you have evidence of that? Because some polling has been done over the last few months, and it’s been showing consistently high support for Hamas and the October 7th attacks in general. The reason why the Palestinian Authority hasn’t held elections in the West Bank in ages is because Hamas would probably win them.
I shouldn’t have to say this, but that of course does not mean that civilians deserve to be bombed.
https://www.washingtoninstitute.org/policy-analysis/polls-show-majority-gazans-were-against-breaking-ceasefire-hamas-and-hezbollah I don’t know that there’s reliable evidence either way. That was written right after the war started so when they say ceasefire, they mean before Oct 7. I guess I’d say the polling is a mixed bag? I’m really not sure how to interpret Gaza polls.
TL/DR: I used to work in politics (in the U.S.) so I’m gonna be long-winded here but in short: I’m not sure how accurate any poll in Gaza can be. But here’s my thoughts:
Firstly, how accurate can polls be in any autocratic place? If your town was ruled by violent goons, would you tell some caller from an unknown number (or a stranger face-to-face) that you disapprove? Putin probably has great poll numbers.
Even if they are accurate, there’s always a “rally around the flag” effect at the start of a war. So, post Oct 7 polls might be weird. (Like, George W Bush had a 90% approval rating for a brief period.) It could be like asking “Do you support the troops?”
A third issue with Gaza polling is when they ask it like “Do you support Hamas or Fatah?” You can hate Hamas and not want corrupt, weak, ineffectual leaders shipped in from the West Bank.
So, I think it’s reasonable to expect the “true” margin of error to be way higher than a typical poll in a stable, peaceful, democratic country. If it’s +/- 20%, you can find a poll that suits your agenda.
But if they did that, how would Biden subsidize the military industrial complex by giving billions and billions of dollars to Israel so they can buy American weapons and ammunition to continue the same oppressive slaughter of Palestine?
The guns and ammunition need to be spent on someone, might as well be spent on the brown people half the world away, like every American “war” after the Civil one.
And just to note, this abject dependence on the military industrial complex to enrich the 1% has not caused a consistent and constant slide to the right of the entire US Federal government. All 2 sides.
And we couldn’t have done this for Ukraine at the same level because if we did, we wouldn’t be within sucking distance of Putin’s tiny shriveled peen.
/s
Mexican American War, killing brown people close to home for practice before doing it abroad. Our country fucking loves killing people as much as Kanye loooooovesss hitler
So far as I can tell… you rite.