If you read the articles on this, the timeline makes sense. No one has to be “psychic”.

• In 2015 Palestine applied to join the ICC.

• Mossad’s harassment of the ICC’s chief prosecutor seems to have begun straight after that.

• Israel was already breaching international law with the settlements and flouting of the Geneva Conventions, and had been accused of war crimes in e.g. 2014.

If an entity is repeatedly accused of committing crimes it’s not really some crazy conspiracy if prosecutors start taking an interest in their activities. And the more they escalate their criminal activity the more likely it is that an investigation and eventual warrant will follow.

I feel the same way. He’s not my friend and he’s not a cute kid or something. He’s a genocidal war criminal.

It is pretty bad. The part where the Mossad guy “ambushed” the judge in a hotel room is blatant intimidation.

Definitely. The US isn’t likely to like either side given one of them is tight with Iran and the other one has dealings with Russian mercenaries.

@victorz - The “fast”/ big obvious ones are Darfur and Gaza, but there’s also probably Oromia, slow genocide in West Papua, Western Sahara, Xinjiang, and I think Nagorny-Karabakh and Tigray could start up again at some point. There is obviously a genocidal component to the Tatmadaw’s activities in Myanmar but right now they seem to be getting their asses kicked by the alliance which includes ethnic minority armies.

Then there are the more obscure genocides that are mostly only mentioned outside western and english-language news media, for example the ongoing slow genocide of the Baloch people in the Balochistan region.

the OG

Not even close.

Ikr! Pretty sure its a reference to the Spanish Inquisition’s expulsion of Jewish people in the 1490s.

In other words it’s not just super random whataboutism, it’s also a dogwhistle to the “chosen people versus antisemitic rest of the world” narrative that Netanyahu et al use to drum up support from their base.

in a major blow to the American-led effort to create a maritime corridor for humanitarian supplies into the war-torn enclave

in a major blow to the American-led effort to create a ridiculous PR exercise to smokescreen their complicity in the starvation of the genocide-torn occupied territory.

Fixed it for them.

Doesn’t really explain it, I mean the underlying Palestine/Israel thing has been going on for decades too.

The current Sudanese Civil War has only been going on for 6 months longer than the current Israel vs Gaza hostilities.

I’m comfortable with my level of engagement thanks.

You seem to have used personal insults on half the people in the thread at this point, and you keep complaining about Lemmy.

I get that you’re frustrated that we’re not talking about whatever it is you want to talk about, but that’s life sometimes.

They are pointing out that it was intentional and part of a widwr pattern.

That genocidal ghoul Netanyahu is 36,000 deep in corpses right now, many of them children. He hasn’t suddenly grown a conscience or empathy. Something else is going on.

Pol Pot springs to mind…

Anyone reading along in this thread should probably check the veracity of these claimed ratios. Wikipedia has an okay overview.

It’s also worth noting that the Russian wars in Chechnya were particularly notable for their brutal war crimes.

@FlyingSquid

@Linkerbaan aah that makes sense, thanks for the explanation. I couldn’t work out what on earth they were getting at.

@TheFonz I’m sorry but you haven’t expressed your position clearly enough for me to summarize and I’m not interested in trying to forensically reconstruct it from your comments as it’s too ameliorised.

Like I said above, this conversation isn’t some kind of game for points. It’s just us talking about our views.

or do you only like to hear yourself

False dichotomy, and a bit of a swing and a miss.

Dresden was a horrendous war crime too.

I can see how it’s harder for you to argue against war crimes from other nations if you’re an apologist for war crimes committed by your own ancestors.

But many of us don’t need to jump through those particular rhetorical hoops. The barrage of war crimes in WW2 was part of the impetus for strengthening international law against that shit.

@TheFonz I’m finding this conversation a bit puzzling.

You sort of sound like you want this discussion to cover all those tired Hasbara “talking points” and their common rebuttals on Americam discuasions or something, hence IsRaEl HaS A Right to DeFenD ItSelf.

This isn’t a game or a logic 101 essay though. It’s ordinary people from multiple countries discussing a humanitarian catastrophe that has killed over 37000 people.

Because it’s a sound principle.

Genociding tens of thousands of people, half of whom are children, is not self defense.

In my country we have a law that self defense has to be proportional and you are only allowed to use enough force to stop the attack.

It can’t be like “the guy down the street threw a rock through my window so I go and kill his whole family in their beds”.

I’m glad that you don’t support collective punishment of Palestinians.

That’s the common ground between you and me. Where we disagree is in what steps to take to stop it. I’m so old that I boycotted Apartheid and later had the very moving experience of being thanked for my country doing that by people who had lived through it.

From some of your comments in here I think you have trouble seeing the enormity of what is happening to your fellow human beings in Gaza right now. In recent years sanctions have been used to halt an attempted genocide in Ethiopia and to weaken the power of the genocidaires in Myanmar. It’s actually usually only when superpowers (China, USA) stand in our way that they become less effective.