Would the economy collapse or thrive? Would there be countries happy to accept the deportees? How would they even deport so many people?
Curious about your thoughts on the hypothetical.
Truth is, if you’re not descended from the original colonists, every African American has lineage in the US farther back.
“White” in America is actually a moving goalpost that has been moving since literally the founding of the colonies. “Whites” at the founding of America were Anglo Saxons literally defined as being “English”, who are descended from Germans who subjugated the natives of the British isles (NOT THE IRISH, NOR THE SCOTS). “Whites” today now comprise literally every fair skinned ethnic background that isn’t east Asian. I shit you not, I think Hispanics who are fair skinned will be the next group subsumed into the white category, followed by fair skinned East Asians. Based on the American definition of white, I, darker than some light skinned African Americans, am white. Middle Easterners are legally considered white because, I shit you not, the Supreme Court in the early 20th century considered Jesus to be white by definition, and since Jesus was middle eastern, middle easterners must also be considered “white”.
Middle Easterners are legally considered white because, I shit you not, the Supreme Court in the early 20th century considered Jesus to be white by definition, and since Jesus was middle eastern, middle easterners must also be considered “white”.
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It’s going to be fun seeing the administration trying to come up with a legal definition of white and hearing the outcry of MAGAists who suddenly discover they aren’t “white”.
“Whites” today now comprise literally every fair skinned ethnic background that isn’t east Asian. I shit you not, I think Hispanics who are fair skinned will be the next group subsumed into the white category
Funny story. Before the 1980s, Hispanic people were considered white. (Modern people praise I Love Lucy for including an “interracial” marriage, but people in the 1950s just saw a white couple). But since Hispanic people in America tend to be a bit culturally distinct from the ruling class, other white people wanted to be racist against them, and so the meme arose and spread that people of Spanish and Portuguese descent are a race distinct from all other people of European descent.
Any country that loses ~40+% of is population all at once is going to have a lot of major issues. Even more so when that population is concentrated in specific industries.
Honestly, if it was somehow even possible to do so logistically, the economy would probably go from “suffering” to “terminal implosion.”
Economic meltdown, most of the population has no one that would take them so they will end up either in camps in failed/failing countries or inside the US itself.
Also getting the white population to agree to do it would be a big lift. The majority would passively oppose and a minority would go full on underground railroad/insurgency.
Only a minority would be totally on board.
Only a minority would be totally on board.
If by minority you mean <50%, then yes. But given how many people voted for Trump, the percentage could be substantially higher than 20%.
Not every trump voter is 100% in board with his policies.
A shocking amount of people are just floating through life on Vibes. They don’t know why they do things, it just feels like they should. This applies right up to the ballot box.
The same vibes can lead to feeling on board with mass deportation.
Sure they can, until their cousins, spouses, and neighbors start disappearing, their coworkers, employees, and representatives.
My city has plenty of racists, but even a casual racist might think twice when more than half the city is being deported.
I can only hope that you are right.
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Everybody’s a racist, it’s just to what degree. Just like everybody’s a hypocrite.
and theres already animosity towards white people as it is: affluenza, white privelege. this will make them even more of a target. they might keep around poc collaborators(aka right wingers that love to have that privelege)
The US food, healthcare, delivery, cleaning, packaging, etc sectors rely very heavily on non whites. Civil war over basic resource distribution would break out in days. Millions would die, assuming it happens magically within a day or so.
But realistically civil war would break out because people would just refuse to leave. 40% of the US population is non-white, there is no way you are getting 130 million people to just leave the country peacefully. It would be the largest undertaking of any kind in human history and its completely impossible unless you stretch it over decades.
But realistically civil war would break out because people would just refuse to leave. 40% of the US population is non-white, there is no way you are getting 130 million people to just leave the country peacefully.
Especially not when at least some of the white population would be on their side against those in favour of deportation. There’d be massive non compliance.
the sciences also depend on NON-WHITES, plus programming is predominately whites and asians. white people are often in RURAL areas, and heavily depend on immigrant labor to sustain thier in the dump states.
even having 1 million can be devestating, if it happens to one state at a time. also white people dont like doing jobs of non-whites.
First there would have to be a raging and highly politicized debate over exactly who qualifies as “white.” It turns out there isn’t a clear cut distinction there which was a problem for 18th and 19th century bigoted fucks as well.
they can make clear cut, target all people that arnt white skinned.
That sounds easy on paper but I know plenty of white dudes who work outdoors who are darker on a consistent basis than many Mexicans. Defining somebody’s “whiteness” just based on shade would exclude a lot of people these fuckers don’t want to, and vise-versa.
The list of exceptions would wind up being longer than the rules. Of course we all know that in reality if such a thing were to actually happen, it would ultimately just devolve to fascists playing favorites on an individual basis with inconsistent, ever fluid, and capricious so-called criteria that are just a flimsy excuse to justify disposing of their personal enemies.
collapse. straight out. Your talking about removing almost half the population at least and then you have what the bar to white is. Palestinian? Israeli? greek? italian? ukrainian? russian? etc, etc… there have been many opinions on what is white enough right down to the aryan stuff. Then of course there is the final throwing away of any compliance with treatise.
I want to point out that it is this reason that OP has stumbled on that White Supremacy is a death cult. The answer is that it would start loose and get more and more narrow. A fascist state needs an enemy to rail against. First, in needs to conquer or cannibalize or subjugate; this is the source of its wealth.
You mentioned “the line” but I also want to point out what white privilege is a social construct that has been extended to groups at different times historically. It was extended to the Jews after the Holocaust (Ashkanaz, at least), and I’m fully expecting somewhere down the line the deportation of America’s Jews to Israel (following the forfeiture our property, of course).
Realistically, if this were to happen, current US government would use the scale from Family Guy
If it’s collapse, I hope it will be well documented, so that the world learns from it. It could quell all the right-wing rhetoric world-wide if the US collapsed from such a stunt.
As one history professor has told me “The only thing we can learn from history is that people don’t learn from history”
I don’t see it happening but who knows. Collapses because of their nature don’t tend to be to well documented. Well internally anyway.
The rest of the world will be watching, so there will be sufficient documentation.
The funniest thing about your question is defining ‘non-whites.’
Back in the day, any Black ancestor made a person Black; that was so slave owners could sell their children by slave mothers. Thomas Jefferson had a slave wife/concubine/rape victim named Sally Hemmings. She was likely his legal wife’s half sister. Sally’s granddaughter was 1/8th of less African, but it was considered a scandal when she ran off and passed as White.
The longer any family has been in America, the more likely it is that they are ‘non-white.’
Given the simplistic way the current administration thinks, it wouldn’t surprise me if a visual color-test / race card were implemented.
non-whites would refer to all non-caucasian people, everyone thats not from europe or russia.
Irish and Italian people would like a word with you
Immediate collapse. No one would take the deportees long term. There would be a huge swell in support for the deported people, but very rapidly other countries would shut their borders. The only way to realistically deport that many people is to get them to self deport by intimidating them.
I’m not so sure this question is hypothetical anymore.
The only way to realistically deport that many people is to get them to self deport by intimidating them.
Well it’s not the only way. You could also militarily invade a neighbouring country, then forcibly deport people there, perhaps by train, perhaps to some sort of camps
I don’t think “deportation” is the reich word to use at that point.
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What would happen if the US denaturalized and deported all whites?
Unrealistic, who would take them? Probably easier to reserve some small bits of land somewhere and let them live there. We can call them Reservides or something. Start off saying they have all sorts of rights to the land and slowly start walking back the rights over the years.
Good question. Would South Africa accept the refugees?
Italians too? /j
There are more guns than people in the US, and contrary to belief, they’re not all owned by the magagotts…
What I find most disturbing about the Republican party is how quickly they shift from “small government is good” to “we need more government so we can enact our brand of authoritarianism! But those guys over there? They’re the big government ones!”
Which is nuts, because you can’t have an authoritarian government without a government large enough to enforce said authority!
I’m at the point where I am leaning more and more into the “just burn it all down and start over” side of things.
That’s been my position for about a decade. Citizens United ended any hope I had that anything would turn us off this path. Corpo fascism has been coming for a long time.
The Constitution is decent but lets rewrite it and leave out all of the glaring oversights/loopholes that cause the government to function by virtue of handshakes, bribes and back room deals.
There’d be world peace for sure.
As someone who’s Chinese American, I’ll have to find a new country. I mean… winnie the pooh isn’t gonna want me back, I don’t even have citizenship in PRC anymore. I mean, I highly doubt they want 5 million westernized people back so quickly.
The first choice I would try is go to Canada, they have a decent ethnic Chinese population and they are English Speaking, so I’ll probably fit right in. But IDK if they’ll be accepting refugees, since the rest of the US non-whites are also expelled abd many would probably go for Canada. Next option is Australia. Then Singapore. Then maybe Taiwan. Wait actually nvm, China is gonna invade Taiwan since the US would have collapsed. EU could also be another option to asylum.
I honesly don’t know where the Black American population is gonna go. I mean, the continent of Africa has been divided so much by European colonialization, that its very hard to track back to an ancestry origin.
Hispanic/Latino Americans would probably go to Spanish speaking South American countries or Mexico.
Also the world could be at risk, since the US would end up as a war zone… Imagine the KKK or other neo-nazi groups gaining access to a nuclear silo…
I think the world is just gonna end up covered in mushroom clouds after a nuke gets lanuched into Russia or China because nazis want racial purification.
So TLDR: One misplaces nuke in the hands of white supremaciat groups and it escalates into Nuclear WW3.
ccp is also pretty difficult, since they require people to renounce thier citizenship of birth, and ccp being pretty paranoid is pretty hostile to immigrants. unless you a rich white foreigner(china loves white people that serves several purpose, propaganda and use as the face for “companies” to make them more legitimate.
I guess you didn’t read my comment. I’m Chinese American, I was born in Mainland China. I had PRC citizenship until my mother became a US Citizen and I derived US citizenship from my mother’s naturalization.
I never formally renounced PRC citizenship (althought I didn’t really cared if I lost it at that time, I had zero attachments to China). Its just that under current PRC laws, anyone who acquires foreign citizenship automatically lose PRC citizenship.
But I really don’t want to be in China, I’m not gonna be able to watch most western content that I’m so used to (because of the firewall) so I’m just gonna be depressed af and probably kms. Like imagine you don’t have all the usual entertainment that you have for the rest of your forseeable life.
Also I’d have to relearn the hardest language in the world.
I mean I guess if the US and China goes to war, and if the US already denaturalized me, I would then no longer have any legal or moral obligations in terms of allegiance to the US (this is hypotheticaly speaking… I’m currently still attached to the US constitution, just not the current administration), so I could theoreticaly just re-learn Mandarin and then I could put my knowledge of English to good use and maybe be a translator/interpretor? I mean I’m essentially a native speaker in both, well… minus like 90% of the Chinese volcabulary that I didn’t learn because I immigrated to the US when I was little. But with AI translatoons, humans translatots seem to be obsolete. So idk, its very hard to find a job in China, which is why my parents came to the US in the first place. And also better human rights and freedoms of course (this was long before the current administrstion, for context)
But then again, I’d look for Canada, Australia, and Singapore before I even think of the last resort options like… CCP-Controlled China 😖
The EU is already doing its best to attract scientists from the US, so if you’re educated, you might have good chances, especially if you’re willing to learn a new language. Probably you could get your family into the EU too.
I honesly don’t know where the Black American population is gonna go. I mean, the continent of Africa has been divided so much by European colonialization, that its very hard to track back to an ancestry origin.
This is one thing I’m kinda hopeful about actually. The continent is really large and spreading out 100 million people across it could work out quite well. Black culture is already pretty popular in parts of Africa, and Black women in the US are the biggest group of people getting degrees, if I’m not mistaken. It could be massive brain drain from the US to the advantage of African countries.
Also the world could be at risk, since the US would end up as a war zone… Imagine the KKK or other neo-nazi groups gaining access to a nuclear silo…
Indeed. I do wonder how quickly they’d go from “we’re the best, we don’t need y’all” to “alright, give us everything you got!”.
only if your a PHD holder in specific niche, not so good for those with only a BS or MS in stems. Also MDs with specific specialties too.
I wonder how quickly the US would lose the technical know-how to maintain nuclear missiles in that scenario.
russia is still somewhat maintains them, i suspect they will be exclusively paying them a better wage and ignore most sectors.
