• N3Cr0@lemmy.world
    2·
    3 months ago

    True, but it also reminds us what happens when someone on Lemmy gets downvoted, reported and banned for having their own valud standpoint, which is not accepted by the majority of us.

    We should keep in mind that we are prone to making the same mistake.

    • smokingpistol@lemm.ee
      1·
      3 months ago

      Yeah I came across lemmy Because I was told that this place believes in free speech even if it’s something you don’t agree with. That is not true though because I’ve had mods delete my comments lol.

        • smokingpistol@lemm.ee
          3·
          3 months ago

          Dude this is just as bad as Reddit, The same Donald Trump being a Nazi rhetoric, I got my comment deleted that says “Hamas sucks” While somebody else’s comment says they are heroes. This website is trash and quite frankly I think Reddit might be a little better

    • smokingpistol@lemm.ee
      1·
      3 months ago

      I got banned for saying “ I’ll probably get banned for saying this but if you’re a Nazi or a Nazi supporter you deserve to get punched in the face” in response of a lady that was going around Boston doing the heil Hitler salute

      • Bloomcole@lemm.ee
        11·
        3 months ago

        I just saw you replied to me in political memes, can’t comment back tho.
        Apparently saying “you might want to brush up on history” is uncivil.
        Using the term Blue MAGA is trolling.
        And then the mods used the Lemmy modlog as an excuse to ban me.
        Jeez these libs.

        • smokingpistol@lemm.ee
          1·
          3 months ago

          Yes I got banned from commenting on another sub on here Because I said Hamas are terrorist. Mind you the person that replied to me said That they are heroes. Lemmy Is just as bad as Reddit and again I only came on this app because I was told that it had free speech

      • Tempus Fugit@midwest.socialEnglish
        0·
        3 months ago

        Well I’ve never been harassed, doxxed, and threatened to be murdered by racists or pedophiles simply because I disagree with them. Only tankies and fascists would do that.

        • Omega@discuss.online
          0·
          3 months ago

          You haven’t ever been doxxed period, and racists have harassed killed and doxxed even for minor shit, unless your definition of fascist is very liberal

          • Tempus Fugit@midwest.socialEnglish
            11·
            3 months ago

            Sure it was an attempted doxxing because they’re incompetent. I’m well aware of the evils on the internet and do a decent job remaining anonymous.

            Tankies have killed as many people as the Nazis, actually more. Much more deaths attributed to tankies than racists could ever dream to commit.

            Why are you defending tankies?

            • davel@lemmy.mlEnglish
              11·
              3 months ago

              Tankies have killed as many people as the Nazis, actually more.

              • Tempus Fugit@midwest.socialEnglish
                1·
                3 months ago

                Good, fuck them Nazis. Also fuck them tankies. If you’re in the fringes, you’re likely a monster. That’s not exactly a hot take, lol.

            • BrainInABox@lemmy.mlEnglish
              11·
              3 months ago

              Tankies have killed as many people as the Nazis, actually more. Much more deaths attributed to tankies than racists could ever dream to commit.

              I too love to make unsourced claims that minimize the evil of the Nazis.

                • BrainInABox@lemmy.mlEnglish
                  01·
                  3 months ago

                  Ah, so you’re very sneakily using inconsistent metrics to downplay the Nazis, counting every death that resulted from the policy of communists, but only counting direct and deliberate killings by Nazi Germany.

                  In other words, you are doing deliberate Nazi apologism.

            • Omega@discuss.online
              01·
              3 months ago

              I’m not, and I dont care who killed more people, why are you defending racists?

    • Buelldozer@lemmy.today
      0·
      3 months ago

      I visit .ml and while I do occasionally get cross threaded with them they are, overall, not terrible. Yes some of the people associated with their instance can be over the top but by and large they are just people with a different viewpoint.

      I tried to do the same with hexbear but ultimately couldn’t, which may be my problem more than theirs.

      • Tempus Fugit@midwest.socialEnglish
        1·
        3 months ago

        I’m fairly left on the political spectrum, probably further than most, but hexbear and a lot of .ml are left to the max, as in they’re tankies. I can’t stand right-wingers much, but tankies are worse by a large margin.

        Shit, they attempted to harass and dox me when I offered an opinion that didn’t agree with their very rigid worldview. I kept poking at their stubbornness then they banned me. I’m a stubborn SOAB myself.

        Now I’m questioning if I should continue to use this platform. I’ve definitely started using it less since then, knowing that this platform is run by tankies.

      • Ledericas@lemm.eeEnglish
        0·
        3 months ago

        Not necessarily, they resemble the way conservatives comments way too much, I avoid it as much as possible. They use the same things right wingers use to prove a point

  • Flemmy@lemm.ee
    1·
    3 months ago

    To me the Bitcoin and crypto subs were a really weird place. Like 1 in 10 are long term investors and the rest are like “lol just wasted my grandparents savings I’m done. And just 20.”

    • Ledericas@lemm.eeEnglish
      1·
      3 months ago

      Isn’t that like wsb most of the time, they act like nothing biggie. Alot of them are rich or trolls

    • Mickey7@lemmy.worldOP
      0·
      3 months ago

      Agreed. Is there any Lemmy group where left, right, and center can discuss issues without some resorting to name calling?

        • CheeseNoodle@lemmy.worldEnglish
          01·
          3 months ago

          Honestly I think that isn’t an issue with any one platform so much as it is one of the biggest successes of the extreme right. By being obnoxiously loud, openly self contradictory and everywhere in the media the extreme right has succesfully portrayed themselves as being representative of the entire right wing. This leaves the moderate right isolated, less likely to co-operate with the centre or left on issues where they might agree, and more likely to embrace the extreme right.

          TLDR: Firehose of falsehood works even better when it splashes on the guy next to you.

  • kingshrubb@lemmy.ml
    1·
    3 months ago

    The censorship and Napoleonic complex moderators on lemmy.world are nearly as bad as reddit

    • UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.worldEnglish
      1·
      3 months ago

      :-/

      The nature of social media. Moderation takes time and energy (which amount to money). As a community grows larger, the moderators either need to increase their moderation costs or get draconian with their enforcement to reduce the expense.

      Reddit is just the Late Stage of this phenomenon. If Lemmy continues to accrue users and follow the Reddit trajectory, where else can it end? I fully anticipate it’ll either go full /r/The_Donald with fascist bot-accounts spamming up every channel (a la “Nicole” spam mentioned in the pinned post). Or we’ll see mods do full instance purges of anyone suspected of any violation of any rule (perhaps even automating the process or turning it entirely over to an in-house AI) because there’s no Lemmy budget to do what Facebook or Reddit tried initially (turning moderation over to sweatshops in the Philippines or wherever labor was cheapest).

      Smaller communities speed ran this transformation. Voat imploded inside a year or two. Chapo/Hexbear ate itself over the course of a couple years. TruthSocial is all just botspam now. Some of the smaller instances in Lemmy have imploded to the same effect. This instance has a rather large and active modding community. But it comes for us all in the end.

    • 🇰 🌀 🇱 🇦 🇳 🇦 🇰 🇮 @pawb.socialEnglish
      0·
      3 months ago

      Removing posts of non news articles being posted to the news comms isn’t censorship.

      Removing non-US politics posts posted to a US politics comm is not censorship.

      Removing political memes posted to a non-political meme comm is not censorship.

      Removing posts of something other than micro blogs to the microblogs community is not censorship.

      Removing posts that break the clearly posted rules of the community is not censorship.

      JFC… 🤦‍♂️

  • ekZepp@lemmy.worldEnglish
    1·
    3 months ago

    I’m all in for discarding opinions. As long as who post them can argue in a civil maner, show souces and accept objective data.

    • eleitl@lemm.ee
      1·
      3 months ago

      Early adopters and technical users are more likely to be free/libre users.

        • eleitl@lemm.ee
          1·
          3 months ago

          I’ve been online since early 1990s and this is my repeated empirical experience that communities with a technical entry threshold self-select for technical users initially.

          Most social network users are already hopelessly confused by the concept of federation and need to pick up an instance.

  • MoreFPSmorebetter@lemmy.zip
    1·
    3 months ago

    In my limited experience with Lemmy I would say the problem here is worse, but different due to the whole instance and decentralized thing.

    I definitely don’t think Lemmy has much ground to stand on in terms of looking down on reddit for the echo chamber they created.

      • Tempus Fugit@midwest.socialEnglish
        1·
        3 months ago

        🤣 that’s the most mild misogyny I’ve ever heard. If that’s all it takes to get banned from an entire instance you guys are fucked in the future. I can’t believe I’ve not seen this pettiness before. This whole project is a joke. Death threats are a ok, but mild misogyny gets you banned? You all are warped in the head it that’s how you feel.

          • Tempus Fugit@midwest.socialEnglish
            1·
            3 months ago

            🤣 sure dude, you should look at the comments I was defending against. Threats of murder, misandry, misinformation, harassment. That’s all alright with you though. Man the left is so cooked if y’all gatekeep like that. I’m not being hyperbolic when I say Lemmy is much much worse with censorship and gatekeeping than reddit ever was/is.

            Edit: censorship for perceived “liberalism,” give me a break. What a crook of manure.

            Edit2: it’s even worse than I thought 🤣. Banned for “ignorant lib chauvinism” what a dumb reason. Censored for racism for saying I don’t give Jews the benefit of the doubt after they pulled a genocide against Palestinians.

          • thoro@lemmy.ml
            0·
            3 months ago

            Remember when we once spoke about how a lot of Redditors are not people we want here and the culture here repulsing some isn’t necessarily a bad thing?

            Well.

      • comfy@lemmy.ml
        1·
        3 months ago

        Agreed. When I first came here I thought Lemmy would be open to all points of view.

        Lemmy already experienced Wolfballs, the de-facto right-wing instance, which their admin closed once they realized they were hosting a Nazi bar who were actually serious about White Nationalist nonsense and not just joking to “troll the lib snowflake”. We tried it, it wasn’t fun. Free speech absolutism is a pointless idealist approach to society - building a community where anyone can express anything will drive away people who want useful discussions and don’t want to be regularly dehumanized for their existence (not their opinions or acts, but their existence). Diversity of opinion and the freedom to express is productive and constructive, but only up to a point. If someone came on here and persistently and seriously advocated that everyone whose name begins with an “M” should be publicly executed… what’s the point in tolerating that point of view? It brings none of the benefits of free expression. It’s a waste of time that doesn’t deserve to be taken seriously. And if it weren’t so silly and people actually did get lynched for having a name starting with “M”, it would be threatening and make people uncomfortable being here. If this “M” example seems too ridiculous, replace it with something equally pointless like “not being straight” or “not being white”, which people do get killed for.

        If this site were sprinkled with literal neo-Nazis and child abuse advocates (this isn’t a mythical “what if”, one can go to plenty of “free speech extremist” forums to see these people in action), then would you stick around? I’d go to somewhere else where I wouldn’t have to see that pointless trash. And this isn’t because of some mindless intolerance of political views - I’ve had serious political conversations with actual Mussolini-reading Fascists - but because some points of view are inherently antisocial, willfully repulsive and exclusionary, and they inevitably destroy communities. There’s no material reason to be open to their antisocial points of view, it doesn’t benefit the community or bring useful insight. It’s an abstract right which causes more harm than benefit, more oppression than liberty. It’s a waste of time and space.

      • MoreFPSmorebetter@lemmy.zip
        01·
        3 months ago

        Unfortunately no lol. Lemmy has a handful of stances that are “allowed” and if you stray from those you’re toast.

        You can get banned from entire instances just because the mod of that instance saw you make a comment they didn’t like on a completely different instance and sub.

        It’s fine though. Each instance can do whatever they want. I do think it inhibits growth and actual discussions from taking place though. If you ban everyone that thinks even slightly differently than you it just means you’re left with a bunch of people that all pretty much agree I everything. Not exactly a riveting conversation.

        • Cryophilia@lemmy.world
          01·
          3 months ago

          Not just bans. People in the Fediverse are knee jerk blockers too. Disagree with me? Blocked. Wow, now everyone agrees with me, so my take must be correct.

          • MoreFPSmorebetter@lemmy.zip
            0·
            3 months ago

            Yeah … I mean everyone is allowed to Taylor their experience however they want but I never block people because I never want to put myself into an echo chamber where I only ever see or hear opinions I already agree with.

            • r.EndTimes@lemm.eeEnglish
              1·
              3 months ago

              good for you I want an echo chamber, listening to stupid mfs opinions for the last 10 years has done me no favors, the type of mf that I dont want to talk to is the one who refuses growth and doesnt change their mind off new information, instead they double down on their beliefs because of whatever stupid reason

              • MoreFPSmorebetter@lemmy.zip
                01·
                3 months ago

                See the difference between us is that because I never block anyone I might hear or see a perspective or idea I’ve never considered before and I might take stock of my current position and change. Whereas with your method you are cutting off that chance and then just locking in on your current stances assuming they are currently correct and will always be correct forever which I find to be an idiotic stance to have.

                I can admit that all of my positions might not be perfect because I still haven’t thought about every single thing or learned every single thing there is to learn. It is illogical to assume that I already know everything and no longer need to consider anything else.

                I don’t know about you but my political stances have changed over the years. Certain from a young kid to my teen years. And again from my teens to my young adult years. And yet again as I have gotten older. I am sure they will continue to shift and grow as I grow as a a person.

                • r.EndTimes@lemm.eeEnglish
                  1·
                  3 months ago

                  I research my opinions, I dont base them off conversations with strangers on the internet who all have their own agendas. Republicans are not changing their minds and arent open to new opinions unless the source is one of their own and even then theyll turn on them it its too far from what they know.

            • kreskin@lemmy.world
              1·
              3 months ago

              People arent at the best on anonymous internet forums. While I believe in free speech, I dont believe I am required to sit around and lend them my ear if they have proven themselves to be terrible. That being said, I dont ban right away, I make sure first. I dont feel bad about that at all-- I think it cuts down on slapfights. No one likes slapfights.

  • Lovable Sidekick@lemmy.worldEnglish
    1·
    3 months ago

    Banning is just an administrative action. The sentiment behind it is just as present on lemmy and everywhere else. Social forums tend to turn into echo chambers as ordinary users, who don’t have ban power but wish they did, use downvotes to suppress whatever they don’t agree with.