I think a little clarification is needed. No. I don’t actually think everyone there is insane. I don’t care about the bans so stop trying to use that. HB enthusiasts coming here and trying to call me out achieves nothing besides proving my point

Edit: Feel free to keep trying to brigade me. It’s not going to scare me to take this down

  • SirDerpy@lemmy.world
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    2 months ago

    Seeing the ban coming, they financed and suffered alpha and beta of the Lemmy platform we all enjoy. Then, they chose to become the most GLBTQ+ friendly destination on the internet.

    As it’s always been, they cope with the horrible events with satirical, sarcastic humor. And, in the middle of that will be a well-reasoned, nuanced, and quite serious post.

    But, perhaps the part I like most is the struggle sessions. The entire community will heavily focus on a current topic, then hash it out with good faith discussion.

    Their shit isn’t convenient or comfortable. It’s not easy to understand. And, I fucking love them for it.

    edit: Lazy coders need choose a randomized target value and timing or be a moderator to avoid detection by the user. Perceiving is easy when your code is trash. Ask for help from an industrial engineer.

    • mathemachristian[he]@lemm.ee
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      2 months ago

      Yeah they kept being able to back the most ridiculous claims and then suddenly I was like “oh no they were right all along” and got radicalized 🤷

          • Zipitydew@sh.itjust.works
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            2 months ago

            That’s the whole point of an echo chamber yes. You can say whatever you want without being challenged by other viewpoints and make anything seem plausible.

            • mathemachristian[he]@lemm.ee
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              2 months ago

              but they are linking a lot of outside sources. That’s what I mean by “backing their claims up”, studies about covid, about the ukraine war, about Israel, it’s not just someone making a claim and then everyone is nodding along.

              What I am saying is they were able to completely upend the way I see the world and you just can’t do that by claiming thengs and linking to some other claims you make.

    • 14th_cylon@lemm.ee
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      2 months ago

      As it’s always been, they cope with the horrible events with satirical, sarcastic humor. And, in the middle of that will be a well-reasoned, nuanced, and quite serious post.

      Oh yes, they are so funny, misunderstood, thoughtful and nuanced thinkers.

      F them and f you for defending them.

      This ~1800 comment thread about whether lemm.ee should defederate with them is all you need for some eye opening, in case anyone needs that.

      https://lemm.ee/post/4543536

      Above screenshot is from said thread.

      The comrade in it actually suggests that there is a time and place for such rhetoric, it is just not right here, right now. you have to think politically and wait for your moment!

      • SirDerpy@lemmy.world
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        2 months ago

        Yes, please read what the .ee admin says about where the bigoted users originate and the actions of the hexbear mods in response. It certainly speaks for itself.

        • michaelmrose@lemmy.worldEnglish
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          2 months ago

          Your portrayal of them just being made into regular peasants seems to me viewing the whole affair with more than rose colored glasses.

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dekulakization

          All kulaks were assigned to one of three categories:[4]
          Those to be shot or imprisoned as decided by the local secret political police. Those to be sent to Siberia, the North, the Urals, or Kazakhstan, after confiscation of their property. Those to be evicted from their houses and used in labour colonies within their own districts.

          By most people’s reckoning in most of planet earth they stole the lawfully earned property of kulaks and either murdered them or otherwise destroyed their lives. Treating them worse than most developed nations treat burglars and thieves.

          If someone shot your grandpa and your uncle, send half your people to Siberia to die out there, and sent the other half to prison locally of course you would flee with whatever you could carry and of course you would at that point be an enemy of the regime that destroyed your life.

          So if the original commenter’s great grandparents were kulaks who “suffered at the hands of the soviet union,” they deserved it.

          I don’t understand your justification for what is ultimately pretty horrific treatment foisted on people ultimately just participating lawfully in society up until that point.

            • michaelmrose@lemmy.worldEnglish
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              2 months ago

              America didn’t go from legally sanctioning a behavior to murdering the people today who were behaving lawfully yesterday even if they were immoral fucks. If you don’t understand that then you don’t understand how normal societies run.

        • 14th_cylon@lemm.ee
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          2 months ago

          Perhaps now is the time.

          No, Time for condoning class war and murder is never and nowhere.

          Go back to hexbear, you poor, uneducated, lying, bolshevik piece of shit.

          But thank you for showing anyone who may have not had an experience with you before what type of people you are.

          One can always count on that, you morons just can’t help yourself.

          • alcoholicorn@lemmy.ml
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            2 months ago

            You don’t get to call directing state power against the petite bourgeoisie a brutal police regime when your government is supporting the most brutal dictatorships in Africa, whose violence is directed at the working class.

              • alcoholicorn@lemmy.ml
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                2 months ago

                The vital context is wielding state power against internal threats. Which literally every state must do to continue to exist. It’s not whataboutism to point out that the state you currently live in is currently doing far worse, for far worse reasons in a context where your criticism can only be used for anticommunism.

                Would you say it’s constructive for an Israeli to be critical of gay rights in Palestine? Of course not, because divorced of context, it only carries water for imperialism

                  • alcoholicorn@lemmy.ml
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                    2 months ago

                    Nobody is advocating power abuse. One of the books I try to get people to read, Life and Terror in Stalin’s Russia contextualizes the scale of and how such abuses occurred in a much more useful criticism than “communism bad Stalin evil, that’s why you can’t ever do anything about rightists organizing against the state”.

                    A good accompaniment to illustrate what it looks like and what the consequences are when the left fails to take appropriate action once in power is The Jakarta Method

      • SirDerpy@lemmy.world
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        2 months ago

        Hello, low effort neolib troll. Thanks for the opportunity to continue to speak truth.

        There’s a cultural similarity to what 4-chan was prior to the LOIC. But, they’re definitely not tankies. Sincere expressions of authoritarian means are soundly defeated and usually result in permabans. The principle and practice is consistent for MAGA, neolibs, and other authoritarians.