Back in like 2016, a huge part of the grift was that Tesla was a tech company and their system would get smarter forever as it got more data.

Using an expensive sensor that can just detect objects instead of relying on computer vision and machine learning is kinda like an admission of failure.

I can’t find what it goes to, but it looks like Baidu and the US company Zoox use them in their robotaxis.

Edit: Lixiang models L9, L8, and L7 use that sensor.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/interactive/2023/tesla-autopilot-crash-analysis/

The tesla did not consistently detect that the thing infront of it was a truck, so it didn’t brake. Also, this describes a lot of similar cases.

I remember a youtuber doing similar tests, where they’d try to run over a fake pedestrian crossing or standing in the road at low speed, and then high speed. It would often stop at low speed, but very rarely stopped or swerved at high speed.

It was Elon, he was very vocal about how Lidar was an expensive crutch and how machine learning would get so much better than human vision back around 2016ish.

10 - 30 grand

Decent LIDAR sensors have gotten a lot cheaper in the last 5 years or so, here’s one that is used in commercial self-driving taxis: https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/X01-36020021-Nev-Auto-Parts-for_1601252480285.html

So they had an issue with the car slamming on the brakes at unexpected times, caused by misidentifying cracks in the road or glare or weird lighting or w/e. The solution was to make the cameras ignore anything they can’t recognize at high speeds. This resulted in Teslas plowing into the back of firetrucks.

As the article mentioned, other self-driving cars solved that with lidar, which elon himself is against because he says AI will just get so good and 2d cameras are cheaper.

I’m not talking about all EVs, just Teslas. Most EVs don’t have a tendency to lock the occupants inside after a bad crash.

Here’s a random twitter user compiling news stories of Tesla deaths that prove it’s at least double the Ford Pinto: https://xcancel.com/ton_aarts/status/1593557636695445505

And what one guy on twitter can find is hardly exhaustive.

Ideology aside, they make some very good PR

They immolate people per vehicle sold than the ford pinto. The have absurd numbers of points of failure; until a few years ago each door handle had over a dozen sensors and wires, all exposed to moisture and thermal cycling, and cost $500 each. They use a few hall effect sensors now, but still cost >$500.

I feel like 3 kinda comes with the territory of politics. The sort of people who mod political forums have more rigid ideas of what ideas should prevail in the discourse than someone modding a board for embedded electronics, not that that’s an inherently bad thing.

It just feels worse because a greater portion of Lemmy is politics; here I’ve caught bans for being insufficiently pro-Kamala months after the election or not going along with a china bad circlejerk, but at reddit people catch bans for “John Brown did nothing wrong” or just posting footage from Palestine.

Anyone who is angry they can’t whip out queerphobia when they’re annoyed at someone who uses neopronouns doesn’t understand why it’s not OK to say racist shit about Clarance Thomas, misogynistic shit about JK Rowling, or transphobic shit about Keffals.

Just a huge red flag that respecting other people’s humanity is contingent on benefiting them.

No I’m not, you’ve been misunderstanding me from the start.

Tiktok does not amplify views that make the US look bad, it demotes them. That demonstrates that china is not using tiktok to influence Americans because they would want the opposite.

Instead they do exactly what any media subservient to the state department does.

Amplifying shows of division in a country promotes the view that said country is flawed and weak, in this case along racial lines. China has plenty to gain by showing that.

Exactly! So demoting those videos suggests that China is not using the algorithm to promote anti-american views.

That seems entirely speculative. There are plenty of other reasons to hire them. Can you provide evidence for your claim?

No, CIA agents don’t go around saying they’re working for media companies to disseminate propaganda, and media companies don’t broadcast that they take extra care to make sure their coverage lines up with the state department’s narratives.

If it’s being done in a manner that promotes Chinese narratives while demoting American narratives

Spicy in this case means protests, police misbehavior, stuff the US wouldn’t want amplified. The big waves of censorship came in 2020 and 2022. You can search news articles from the time with lots of people wondering why they’re no longer getting that content in their FYPs and content creators getting <1/10th of the views. FB and reddit do the same thing.

I don’t really see why not demoting BLM videos is not in the CCP’s interest; videos that make America seem racist seems entirely in the interest of an Anti-American country.

Amplifying the videos that show America’s response to antiracist movements would make America look like the racist country it is. Demoting them conceals that.

I also don’t see why hiring former American intelligence operatives demonstrates a pro-American stance, as their motivations for doing so could be to learn about American intelligence-gathering methods while promoting Chinese interests.

CIA agents living in America who disseminate intelligence-gathering methods while promoting Chinese interests get charged with treason.

They were hired to help identify and amplify US state department narratives, same reason CNN and Fox hires them.

It is, but the relevance to the discussion is that China getting american’s data isn’t the reason for the ban. Nor is China influencing Americans because they tend to derank politically spicy videos. If China was controlling the algo to make the US look bad, videos tagged BLM wouldn’t have been deranked.

Tiktok also wouldn’t have hired a bunch of state department spooks if they weren’t intending to keep amplifying US narratives.

It’s because it pissed off the wrong people. The initial push to ban tiktok was by Trump and republicans after TTers organized a mass RSVP of one of Trump’s events and he spent a lot of money on extra staff and ended up performing in an empty stadium.

That failed and Trump was mocked. 4 years later, it was used to counter zionist propaganda, and that got the democrats on board. Here’s Blinken admitting as much.

Additionally, Insta is TT’s biggest competitor, and FB, which owns Insta, lobbys to the tune of 20M/year.

Except FB and Twitter sell their data to the highest bidder. If China wanted American’s data, they can just buy it.

Nah, it’s older than that, watch Deathwish 2 and tell American boomers weren’t itching for an excuse to murder teenagers.

We used to.

There’s a bunch of ancient Egyptian cosmetic spoons floating around you might be able to pick up at a flea market.

Wildly unethical to buy given that they were looted from egypt.

What little thing are you being attacked for? The worst I’ve experienced was being called an atlanticist in a discussion on North Korean military preparedness.