• Linkerbaan@lemmy.world
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    Nearly 11,000 Israelis visited Maldives last year, which was 0.6% of the total tourist arrivals.

    Very nice. It’s not just a symbolic boycot

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      A symbolic boycott is important. They still picked a side in this mess.

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        As the Maldives is a tourist resort 0.6% of the most major income is pretty big

        https://www.budgetyourtrip.com/maldives

        You should plan to spend around** $299 (MVR4,623) per day on your vacation in the Maldives.** This is the average daily price based on the expenses of other visitors

        Even assuming that every tourist stays one single day that would be 3.3 million dollars. And I’d wager most tourists stay longer than that

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          So, admittedly, $3.3 Million is low-balling it, and that the real figure is probably something like $20 Million, assuming that each tourist stays ~1 week and spends $299/day as you have quoted.

          But these numbers don’t mean anything in a vacuum. More context is needed to understand the actual impact of this decision.

          The Maldives have a GDP of $6.55 Billion. Assuming that this costs them $20 Million in tourism revenue, that’s only a 0.3% drop in GDP. The annual fluctuation in GDP is ±9%. The impact of banning Israeli tourists is less than a rounding error on the Economy of the Maldives.

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            An entire economy is made up of many parts. 0.3% doesn’t sound like much but with big numbers it adds up.

            A sacrifice of 20 million dollars is more than just symbolism.

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              The problem here is that $20 million isn’t a “big number” compared to $6.55 Billion.

              Believe whatever you want, I can’t stop you, but you are objectively wrong.

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                Let’s pretend the Maldives is America. Would you say that America losing 0.3% of its entire GDP over a boycott is "symbolic?

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    Good. We have seen with apartheid South Africa that isolation of a rogue terrorist nation is the only non military way of returning it to the community of somewhat lawful nations. No surprise that Israel was a close ally of apartheid South Africa

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      Meanwhile, you can’t become a citizen in Maldives unless you are Muslim. Hypocritical fucks

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        I don’t see the hypocrisy. A country that mandates Islam is exactly the kind of country I would expect to expel Jews.

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      There were economic sanctions, there was a huge wave of divestment, but all that was pointed at the institutions of the state - not at its citizens ( like this unfortunate decision of Maledives).

      Edit: how much sense would it make blocking black citizens of SA from visiting your country -simply because they live under apartheid?

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        “how much sense would it make blocking black citizens of SA from visiting your country -simply because they live under apartheid?”

        What kind of tortured logic is this? Nobody is saying we’re going to block the Palestinians from traveling anywhere. Only the perpetrators, not the victims.

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          Nobody is saying we’re going to block the Palestinians from traveling anywhere. Only the perpetrators, not the victims.

          Well that is pitty, because they’ve just blocked 2 millions of Palestinians living in Israel proper - Demographics of Israel, wikipedia

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    All Israeli’s have to do military service and they get a bonus afterwards that they often use for travel. Thailand was full of Israeli kids when I went. Would be awesome if Thailand did the same.

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          Amen. People will downvote us for calling it out, but this is absolutely bigtory on display.

          I mean, Fuck Israel, they are committing Genocide. Let’s get that out of the way, I don’t stand for what Israel is doing at all.

          But everyone deciding that every single Israeli is a “piece of shit” is just making broad discriminatory statements against people because of their Religion, Ethnicity, or National Origin. They aren’t “criticizing Israel”, they are spewing hatred about Israelis and Jews in retaliation for what Israel is done.

          Fuck those people. The same kind of assholes who attacked Arab Americans following 9/11, because they decided that if they were mad enough, they could hurt whoever they wanted, and as long as some part of their victim’s identity was tangential to the issue they were mad about, they were justified in doing it.

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          Jew here, and travelled through SE Asia. Israelis have always had a terrible reputation in parts of India and Thailand because after completing military service of 2-3 years, these kids get a lump sum before heading off to careers or university. They spend that money on booze and drugs and get off their faces before heading home to start their lives properly, and this is true of the Israeli Arab kids who serve too, as they are also no longer under the watchful eye of their parents or the military.

          It’s not uncommon for youth hostels in Thailand not to allow Israelis in groups to stay there, with signage saying so. Always “Israelis”, never “jews”. I saw a lot of this backpacking maybe 8 years ago.

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            So what you’re saying is that hate speech against people because of their ethnicity or religion is off-limits, but hate speech against people because of their national origin is perfectly fine?

            Sounds shitty.

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            Yep I’ve seen reports on their little town in India and how they’ve been awful to the natives.

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    holy shit the difference in comments between here and reddit’s world news on the same post is insane. Everyone there is a zionist.

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      Reddit just banned everyone commenting negatively about Israel or its inhabitants

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      Worldnews really is overrun by Zionist bots. If you go to some other subreddits a lot of them seem to still have real humans who are saying so. But it seems like a lot of other subreddits are being taken over by bots at this point too.

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      Reddit is mostly literal bots. Not figurative ones, literal ZionistGPT bots jerking eachother off.

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      Took a peek in worldnews recently and yeah it’s bad. I don’t remember it being so bad the last time Gaza was bombed. It’s like they cleaned out worldnews for the IPO or something.

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      What’s the vibe in there? Cause I don’t like the idea of punishing regular civilians for the government’s actions, so I’m not a fan of this decision. But I’m not gonna come in here and say something like “omg why though, Israel’s the victim!!!1”

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        Israel doesn’t have regular citizens because of their national draft. Just complicit people, settlers, and people who don’t have to serve because Israel is racist.

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            I would support those people getting individual exceptions. Also the people who are excluded from the draft because of the racism.

            Maybe it would be easier for me to say that I just think everybody who ever served in the IDF should be banned from other countries.

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          Wow, what an incredibly bad take. Kudos, I’m genuinely impressed

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            I think it’s a bad take to pretend that people who served in the military and can still be called up for service are regular civilians. Or civilians whatsoever really.

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    wp:Human rights in the Maldives

    The constitution declares Islam as the state religion of the Maldives and states that all Maldivian nationals are required to be Sunni Muslims.[13] It is illegal in the country to proselytize any religion other than Islam, and advocate for secularism or the separation of church and state. Apostasy and atheism are also outlawed and those who identify as or accused of being apostates or atheists are punishable by death by Maldivian law (though unenforced) and are often subject to vigilante violence or attacks with little or no consequences for perpetrators by the authorities.

    Defamation and Speech “contrary to the tenets of Islam” is illegal.

    As the state partially practices Sharia law in some matters, homosexuality is illegal. The punishment for men is nine months to one year imprisonment, or 10 to 30 lashes. The punishment for women is nine months to one year of house arrest.[3]

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        This is Lemmy: the Shariah law as practiced by the Maldives doesn’t apply here,

        nor did the Maldives fight a war for its very existence on the first day of its independence.

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          Maybe shouldn’t try to create a country on someone else’s land? Refugees are supposed to assimilate into the culture, not create a separate ethnostate and expel the natives.

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            The Jewish presence in Palestine is older than the Muslim.

            For that matter, those in the Maldives were Buddhists before they became Muslim.

            Instead of blaming the victims of European antisemitism which kind of necessitated Zionism, you might wag your finger at Europe too for this.

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          Lol they don’t practice shit about any religion. Their government is corrupt as hell. What Shariah law? Have you been there? They have prostitutes from every nation on earth on their exclusive beach resorts for the wealthy

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            Have you been there?

            Have you been there, anon?

            wp:Maldives

            Since the adoption of the 2008 constitution citizens and anyone wishing to become a citizens are required by law to nominally follow Sunni Islam[176] which would make Maldives a 100% Muslim country in theory.

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              Yes I visited the maldives in 2018 I think and I’m not a Maldevi citizen nor sunni muslim. They’re a hypocrite corrupt government.

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    Jesus, the comments here are deranged.

    First of all, you can be as opposed to Israel as you want, as it relates to Israel being a militarized state committing genocide. A lot of these comments are just dripping with hatred for Israelis and Jews, solely because of their Religion/Ethnicity/National Origin, and without regard to their actual stance on the Israel/Palestine conflict. Lots of stuff here stooping to the level of bigotry - a pattern that I am noticing from a lot of people on the left who seem to think that their opposition to Israel makes no rhetoric, no matter how hateful, off-limits.

    Second of all, the Maldives are are Muslim Theocracy that openly criminalizes the free exercise of any religion other than Sunni Islam. The war in Gaza is excellent cover for removing Jews from their country, and anyone thinking that they are actually taking a humanitarian stance here, please DM me I have a bridge for sale.

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      Careful. As I understand, this is considered “whataboutism” and isn’t really allowed to be discussed. Even though it’s a fantastic point to make with regards to the events happening elsewhere.

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        I’ve seen it described as “manufactured outrage.” I think it’s an appropriate term.

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      Funny thing, I made the same question in reverse once, and the crowd on here descended on me for “whataboutism”.

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    sorry but this is actually stupid. don’t blame the israeli people over the actions of the government - especially when a large number of israelis are protesting against the government.

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      Israeli government is elected, and enjoys widespread public support. Which means the Israeli public share the responsibility of this genocide.

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      How is this different from sanctions on Russia? Those mostly harm civilians, and are intended to create political pressure. There’s not much anyone can do to only harm Netanyahu.

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        Well you see, Sanctions are, well, Sanctions. And this? This isn’t sanctions. The Maldives are an Islamic Theocracy, and they already hate Israel for reasons that have nothing to do with this conflict. Not surprising that the Country that criminalizes being Jewish would expel Israelis.

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    This is ubelievably dumb. Israel is not even a democracy. Yes, they may have some democratic laws, but they are also 70+ years under the state of emergency. There isn’t free press. Israelis are getting locked up for protesting for peace, for refusing to fight in a apartheid war, even for liking facebook comments supporting Palestine. Aplying collective punishment / collective responsibility under such circumstances (as generally under any circumstances) not only doesn’t support the plight of palestinian refugees, it goes against it!

    I understand their (Maledives) motivation, but this is not the way. You can’t punish all Palestinians for the crimes of the few, nor can you punish all Israelies for the crimes of the many.

    Go ahead and downvote me.

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        Thank you! I don’t think I’ve been this proud for getting down voted lately. And I don’t blame you - I hope your motivation is same as mine - to end the tragedy that is currently happening in Gaza ASAP. IMO - You just aren’t terribly adult about it, but I trust that you will get there <3

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          I wasn’t going to downvote until I saw the attempt at reverse psychology. Just make your point, don’t try to manipulate the results.

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            I expected to get downvoted, I got downvoted, I am not angry. Reverse psychology? Manipulate? Are you 100% sure you are not talking about yourself?

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      I get your point, but I don’t think the ones who protest are the ones vacationing in a luxury island. I assume majority of them are rich or spoilt assholes.

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        That is exactly the point - I don’t think one can use terms like “majority” and “assume” to justify collective punishment, because that is exactly what the Israelis are doing right now.(But I am obviously wrong )

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    This is the best summary I could come up with:


    COLOMBO, Sri Lanka (AP) — The Maldives government will ban Israelis from the Indian Ocean archipelago, known for luxury resorts, as public anger in the predominantly Muslim nation rises over the war in Gaza.

    The president’s office said Sunday that the Cabinet decided to change laws to prevent Israeli passport holders from entering the country and to establish a subcommittee to oversee the process.

    It said President Mohamed Muizu will appoint a special envoy to assess the Palestinian needs and to launch a fundraising campaign.

    Israel’s Foreign Ministry spokesperson Oren Marmorstein said in response that the Foreign Ministry recommends Israelis avoid any travel to the Maldives, including those with foreign passports, and those currently there to consider leaving.

    Nearly 11,000 Israelis visited Maldives last year, which was 0.6% of the total tourist arrivals.


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