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    4 months ago

    Hey guys, this one’s… borderline. The idea that Trump never said that is silly enough that I’m going to allow this post to stay, but its onion-y flavor is pretty weak.

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      4 months ago

      Another raving LEFTIST whose trying to DESTROY our glorious country with LIES and FALSEHOODS!!!

      huge fucking /s

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      4 months ago

      There’s a whole movie using the same rhythm ‘dont look up’ that, I assume, it was modeled after. I’m sure his narcissism is clutching for some control these days and it’s driving him mad.

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      4 months ago

      I’m seeing a trendy way of doing the headline:

      “Trump claims he never said lock her up. He did. Several times.”

      Or some variation.

      "All the times Trump said “Lock her up”

      “Trump said “Lock her up”, now claims he never did”

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        4 months ago

        What I would like is for them to show him the evidence and then see what he says.

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      4 months ago

      Lying requires intent to deceive. Honestly, at this point, I can’t be sure trump has any grip on reality so might actually believe that he never said it.

      Falsely claims accurately depicts what happened without assuming intent. It’s a way to cover their butt.

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    4 months ago

    Ugh. Here we go:

    That didn't happen.  <-- We are here
    And if it did, it wasn't that bad. 
    And if it was, that's not a big deal. 
    And if it is, that's not my fault. 
    And if it was, I didn't mean it. 
    And if I did... You deserved it. 
    
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      That didn't happen.  <-- We are here
      And if it did, it wasn't that bad.  <-- We are here
      And if it was, that's not a big deal.  <-- We are here
      And if it is, that's not my fault.  <-- We are here
      And if it was, I didn't mean it.  <-- We are here
      And if I did... You deserved it.  <-- We are here
      

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        4 months ago

        Physicist would love to stody Trump as quantuum system

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      I mean…he can cycle through those stages as fast or as short as he wants. I’m more interested in a different cycle.

      Trump prepares for an election one year away.

      Trump is not a criminal.

      Trump goes on trial.

      Trump farts in his sleep.

      Trump IS a criminal.

      Trump is locked up.

      Maybe someone in jail pokes him in the eyes, or kicks him in the balls.

      THATS the series of events I’M here to see. And you know CNN would somehow get access to the video footage of trump in jail. Especially if something funny happens.

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    This is a new tier of cognitive dissonance, even for Trump. I mean he literally got crowds chanting “lock her up!” Hopefully this is the icing on the cake of his felony convictions and gets a few more people to break out of the cult.

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      4 months ago

      Dude, he lied about the weather and the size of the crowd on his inauguration day. He fundamentally doesn’t care about the truth. He doesn’t hate it or anything, it’s just that the truth isn’t important to him unless denying it would get him in immediate trouble.

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        I know he’s a liar. But lying about those things can’t resonate with his supporters the way this could. This was almost a core campaign slogan, it’s a downright meme. A denial that he supported it ought to be a much more obvious lie than the others

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          This also makes him look weak, since many still believe she belongs in jail, which is a cardinal sin in the GOP.

  • 𝚜𝚑𝚊𝚍𝚎𝚊𝚛𝚐@lemmy.world
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    4 months ago

    I want to know why mainstream media keeps referencing what he said during his 2020 campaign. His 2016 campaign was way more insidious and is actually related to the election interference conviction.

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    4 months ago

    If only we had a word for an intentionally “false claim”… maybe we could call it something like “falclay”… or maybe just “lie”, for short.

    Gen Z likes to invent slang. Let’s make this “lie” thing happen. What do you say, WaPo?

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      I feel when a person says it it’s just a lie. People speaking isn’t news right?

      Such a weird phrase.

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    4 months ago

    I can’t help but groan loudly every time I see the Orange Menace being quoted in these articles. The word vomit is so relentless it’s hard to stomach. *gauges eyes out*

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      I read your last sentence wrong at first, and I was very confused about how vomit, the word, was relentless.

      Sigh, I think my brain just wants his word-vomit to go away. But I know it won’t, so I might gouge out my ears as I think that might work better than gauging anything.

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    “Hillary has worked very long and very hard over a long period of time and we owe her a major debt of gratitude for her service to our country,” Trump said then. “I mean that very seriously. Now it is time for America to bind the wounds of division. … I say it is time for us to come together as one united people.”

    At the end of the day trump and Hillary still get along better than either would with their average voter.

    If 1/6 hadn’t have happened, I fully believe trump wouldnt have any pending court cases.

    Both parties forgive obvious crimes from prior administrations.

    And no matter how much you hate trump, that doesnt make Hillary magically innocent.

    She willingly and knowingly broke the law. And “the last guy did it too” isn’t the level of excuse we accept from teenagers.

    The sheer fact that she was allowed to use a self hosted email server instead of a secure .mail.mil address means a whole bunch of people should have faced charges

    I’m fully aware republicans do worse stuff, that doesn’t mean Dems can do anything they fucking want. That’s like a teen saying their older brother gets to smoke crack so they should at least be able to get blackout drunk every night

    Yeah, it’s better, but that doesn’t mean it’s ok.

    If a Republican breaks the law, charge them.

    But we should be charging Dems, Independents, Green party, literally all of them accountable when they break the law. Or else we’re going down the same road republicans already did, and they got a hell of a headstart

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        It’s called

        Having standards

        Not doing that, is how republicans got trump…

        Some people know it as:

        Trying to stop letting Republicans win elections

        But that involves a couple steps of critical thinking and long term planning

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          The concern trolling is that it doesn’t even give a shit about the original sentiment of Fuckface 45 lying about locking her up.

          It’s a misdirect.

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            He said it during the campaign to get elected, then immediately went back on it once elected.

            Something that is incredibly common and the only time it didn’t was when trumpntried an actual coup.

            Which is why I talked about how if he hadn’t have done that, Biden would have said the same for him.

            I’m sorry I didn’t type out all the steps for you, but it was already pretty long, and it seems like you already didn’t read it all before replying.

            But that still wouldn’t be concern trolling either.

            Like:

            Biden is not a strong candidate and likely will at best get an entirely close win.

            Is a valid concern, if not an actual fact. Everyone forgets how close 2020 was, and how most people were just voting against trump and not for Biden.

            And after the last year, Biden is looking worse than in 2020.

            Acknowledging reality isn’t “concern trolling” because you don’t like it

            It’s like trumpets yelling “fake news” when they hear something they don’t like…

            Just completely irrational.

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              Still misdirecting. Accept the truth, and stop trying to be devil’s advocate or provide “context”. He said “lock her up”, and he’s lied about that fact.

              Get out of his fat ass. He’s not gonna give you an IOU or a teenager to fuck. He’s got nothing for you. He is nothing.

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                He said “lock her up”,

                Literally no one is saying he didn’t…

                Where is any of what you just said coming from?

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                  From the article: “I didn’t say ‘lock her up,’ but the people said lock her up, lock her up,” Trump said.

                  And him actually saying the phrase:
                  https://www.c-span.org/video/?c5119492/user-clip-trump-saying-lock-up

                  And don’t with that bullshit “he’s just responding and repeating what the audience said” because he’s literally fucking saying it. And also, repeating someone’s bullshit isn’t an excuse.

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          I’ve seen your shitty takes so many times but this one really illustrates who you are. No credibility whatso fucking ever.

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          Yeah, yeah, yeah, tell ya what, you get started on your next little rant about Hillary’s emails while I just go ahead and block you, sound good? k bye now. 👋

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      The sheer fact that she was allowed to use a self hosted email server instead of a secure .mail.mil address means a whole bunch of people should have faced charges

      I gotta disagree on the facts with this one, I don’t like Hillary either but the attempt to make the email thing criminal was in legal terms, bullshit. I agree that she broke the law, but there’s civil law (that a court can order government officials to stop breaking, but you can’t be thrown in jail for) and criminal law (that you can be thrown in jail for). The private email server was the former, not the latter.

      This article around 8 paragraphs down goes through the specific criminal laws at issue, but the summary is these laws are clearly designed to punish actually stealing documents with the intent to conceal or distribute them (like say, if she took them to a private bathroom in Florida), not to dictate criminal penalties for an insecure email setup.

      The reality of what happened is the FBI is a very Republican part of government, Comey is himself a lifelong Republican, and no one got more hate from Republicans than Hillary Clinton. They wanted to prosecute very badly, they just couldn’t.

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        but the attempt to make the email thing criminal was in legal terms, bullshit

        It was literally criminal…

        From your own sourced:

        Under 18 U.S.C.§ 2071, anyone who “willfully and unlawfully conceals, removes, mutilates, obliterates, or destroys,” public records, or attempts to do so, has committed a felony. Those found guilty can be fined, imprisoned for three years, and “disqualified from holding any office under the United States.”

        According to 18 U.S.C.§ 1924, it is a misdemeanor for government employees to “knowingly” remove classified information “without authority and with the intent to retain such documents or materials at an unauthorized location.” Former CIA director and retired general David Petraeus pleaded guilty to this crime after providing notebooks containing classified information to his biographer and mistress, Paula Broadwell. Petraeus was sentenced to just two years of probation and a $40,000 fine, but the maximum sentence is one year in prison and a $100,000 fine.

        Her only defense was essentially “I’m sorry officer, I didn’t know I couldn’t do that”.

        The frequent use of the words willfully and knowingly may help explain why the Clinton campaign keeps emphasizing that she never intentionally sent or received classified information via email. “Courts have required prosecutors to show that a defendant knew they were violating the law,” said Cox. “Given that it is unclear whether the State Department may have approved of, or at least acquiesced in, Clinton’s email arrangement; given that there is thus far no evidence that Clinton destroyed, or intended to conceal, emails that were properly government documents; and given that she willingly handed over the emails when requested, pursuing this charge would seem highly unlikely.”

        Which is why I said everyone involved needed charges if they broke laws.

        People had to sign off on this. Even if Hillary, who wouldn’t shut up about how experienced she is, didn’t know it, the person who forwarded the emails about it knew. Hell, there’s annual training literally every fed has to take on this.

        I’m not saying it’s the worse crime ever, I’m saying we need to hold politicians accountable. And if you’re doing shit like this openly in front of the rest of your coworkers, it shows you think your above the rules, and that is very dangerous for politicians to think they are.

        Hell, Biden got in trouble for not turning records in, he just left boxes in a random university office he just abandoned. Precedent matters, if no one is held accountable, everyone stops giving a fuck.

        I don’t know why it’s such an unpopular opinion these days.

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      She willingly and knowingly broke the law.

      What law?

      The FBI probe focused on whether Clinton or her staff violated federal laws governing the handling of classified information, and whether foreign powers or hostile actors hacked into her private server, which was located at her home in New York.

      FBI Director James Comey on July 5 announced that although Clinton and her staff were “extremely careless” in handling classified information, the FBI did not find evidence that their actions were intentional. He declined to pursue criminal charges.

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    Ok guys. Lets forget every single thing we hold against trump for why he shouldn’t be re-elected. Lets forget every scandal, every trashy thing thats come out of his mouth. Forget ALL that.

    I still don’t think he should be reelected. I don’t even think he should be allowed to drive, or even be in public without a legal guardian caretaker. The man clearly has dementia. We don’t want someone who has dementia!

    see’s Biden in office

    Well shit.

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      Yes, our choices are selfish, evil dementia man who would burn you and everything around him to save his own ass, or well-intentioned dementia man I don’t really agree with on a lot of things that isn’t evil. It’s not a hard choice.

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        It’s not a hard choice…but why are THOSE the choices??? I agree with Biden on most things…but, listening to him talk is kind of like trusting the drunk guy to drive. He knows where he’s going, but will he make it there alive?