• Showroom7561@lemmy.ca
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    9 months ago

    You still haven’t explained why your system is right.

    You’re asking me to explain why evidence (rather than faith) is required to substantiate a claim? Are you trolling?

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      9 months ago

      If it is so self-evident, you should be able to explain why your faith in evidence trumps anyone else’s faith in anything else. You don’t know why you believe what you believe and you’re completely incapable (so far, based on the evidence you’ve provided) of doing anything beyond “James Randi says it so it must be true.” You seem to blindly believe anything anyone in a position of authority states (courts, insurance always right provided they have a modicum of evidence to support their claim). You pound the “evidence trumps everything” pulpit yet can’t explain why, logically, that might make sense.

      You remind me of the evangelicals I’m also not a fan of.

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        9 months ago

        If it is so self-evident, you should be able to explain why your faith in evidence trumps anyone else’s faith in anything else.

        Why evidence based truth is better than no evidence faith? Again, are you trolling?

        What makes you believe the messages you send are being received? Faith?

        You pound the “evidence trumps everything” pulpit yet can’t explain why, logically, that might make sense.

        I’ll assume you aren’t trolling.

        If I make a claim, there are pretty much three options:

        1. I can either substantiate that claim, often with evidence.

        2. Or, I can say that “The claim is true, and while I can’t prove it, I have faith”.

        3. Or, I can say " I’m not sure if the claim is true or not, but I will gather enough evidence, data, test the claim, repeat it, and see if it still holds true (a distilled version of the scientific method).

        Only 1 and 3 will validate the claim, while 2 doesn’t even try.

        From what it sounds like, you believe that option 2 is as valid as options 1 and 3 for validating a claim and finding what’s true.

        What makes you think that?

        You keep saying that I haven’t explained why options 1 and 3 are right. I’m saying they are the best options we have.

        Absolutely, 100% better than option 2, which is lazy and completely disregards any truths.

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          9 months ago

          Why are 1 and 3 the correct options? Why are they even correct? Why is 2 wrong? You don’t seem to realize any of the foundation you’re building on and you’ve done nothing other than say “if I provide evidence,” that’s enough.

          Here’s a thought experiment. I take you into a closed room, put purple film over a window, and tell you the sky is purple. You’ve now got irrefutable proof that the sky is purple. But wait, you say! I can go outside and find different evidence, so clearly having evidence alone is not enough. We could even sidestep the problem by saying that the sky is colorless; it’s the refraction of the light that makes the color. Different frame; different counter.

          So why are you right? Why is your frame correct?