The Israeli rescue service Zaka says its paramedics removed more than 260 bodies from a music festival that came under attack by Hamas militants.
The total figure of bodies found is expected to be higher, as other paramedic teams were also working in the area and Zaka added that the bodies “haven’t all been collected yet”.
Early on Saturday morning, Hamas targeted Nova music festival, a techno rave in the desert near the border with Gaza.
Videos shared on social media and by Israeli news outlets showed dozens of festival-goers running through an open field as gunshots rang out. Many hid in nearby fruit orchards or were gunned down as they fled.
You don’t have to understand every aspect to know that Israel is the aggressor, which you continue to try to cast doubt on. Which leads me to believe you’re either a Zionist or otherwise motivated to make Palestinians look bad, based on your comment history and refusal to acknowledge things such as Israel literally helping create Hamas, and your reluctance to distinguish between Hamas and Palestinians.
You’re either letting your hatred for religion dictate your views, or you’re bigoted.
And ofc pre-Nakba matters, but Nakba was the beginning of the apartheid that Palestinians are currently living under, and perhaps the single greatest determining event in the conflict, in addition to being the start of the state of Israel and thus organized violence by Israel against Palestine.
Lol all my comments make it clear I hate zionists. Fuck zionists.
So you admit there’s no single starting point for the conflict if pre-nakba events are taken into account, you just like to make an incredibly complex issue black and white to make yourself feel smart then? Its fine for Palestinian nationalists to take actions to expel jews from the region that became Israel, but because Israel formed a state to defend itself, they are in the wrong?
If neither side were fundamentalist shit heads trying to destroy their neighbors way of life, they wouldn’t have these problems. When Arabs were the majority with the power the killed and drove the jews out in the name of nationalism, now the Israelis do the same
And both groups disgust me, and would hurt and destroy my way of life if they had the power to do so. If pslestinian Arabs wanted to use the dhemmi system when they had power, what right do they have to insist equal treatment now? Bunch of hypocrites
The world would be better off if Jerusalem were wiped off the planet. Then no one gets it. Problem solved.
No. Stop putting words in my mouth. I’ve told you off for that multiple times already.
Not true. pre-Nakba events set the stage for the Nakba, which was the beginning of the nation of Israel, the Apartheid and systemic oppression of Palestinians, and created the conditions for Hamas to rise to power.
No, Israel is in the wrong because the formation of that state included intentionally killing, displacing, and erasing the culture of Palestinians in a process that can be described with stages 0-8 of genocide, headass.
Not when you’re parroting Zionist rhetoric (see above) and dog whistles in many of your comments.
You paint it as an equal, reciprocal relationship. It’s not. Israel kills many times more people, they began the oppression, Palestinians are currently living under apartheid controlled by Israel.
This is why I say you sound like a Zionist. You continue to deny that Israel is the oppressor, despite the overwhelming evidence that shows how Israel is currently and has oppressed.
Again, for the 5th time, HAMAS WOULDN’T EXIST WITHOUT ISRAEL’S OPPRESSION. It cannot be one-sided when one side created the other through oppression.
Okay and nationalism/being hostile to immigrants isn’t the same as colonizing, intentionally destroying the culture of, and oppressing an indigenous people. Why are you conflating the two? It’s a false equivalency, as is every other comparison you make regarding this situation because you’re blinded by your hatred of religion (and quite possibly also some racism in there).
Again, you’re conflating Hamas and Palestinians. There are Christian and atheist Palestinians, and many Arab Palestinians who are not extremist.
Okay so I’m not sure if you your hateful little brain is capable of comprehending this, but people do not deserve to live in apartheid and have their entire peoples oppressed and put through genocide because some of their great-great-grandparents may have supported a discriminatory power structure that could have been implemented.
The only hypocrite here is you, using your hatred of religion to justify and minimize human rights abuses, while whining nonstop about how hateful religion is towards your way of life.
We get it, you’re a racist atheist who enjoys seeing religious people kill each other. Now go fuck off and stop spreading hate and misinformation about a situation that has enough of that.
You can fuck off first, no one is forcing you to talk to me.
So pre-Nakba counts, but also doesn’t count.
Israel is to blame because they formed a state, which ‘set the stage’ for these events, and made them ‘colonizers’, but violence against jews pre-Israel was fine because they didn’t have a state so that violence was in the name of nationalism, not colonizing, so its ok violence
I have a ‘hateful little brain’ for bringing up events that happened in the time of ‘great-great-grandparents’, but Palestinians are justified in hanging on to land ownership rights from the times of their great-great-grandparents.
I’m a ‘hateful atheist’ for pointing out that people who identify as fundamentalist followers of violent ideologies are statistically more likely to kill not only each other, but secular people like me. I should do my best to elevate these people so they can have the opportunity to force their religion and culture on me next. (Real paradox of tolerance test there - also, did you read this as applying to only Palestinians who support Hamas? it also applies to Israelis who are zionist. )
I get that Israel is kicking the shit out of Gaza recently. I think you get that if Palestine had all the power, they’d be kicking the shit out of Israel. Its just that you think that would be justified because you’re a racist/bigot/insert one of your insults here.
I also get that Israel is shitty for killing kids in Gaza. Thats why fuck zionists / fuck Israel - they got the land they wanted, and they wouldn’t stop.
Religious bullshit never stops.
The cognitive dissonance is truly staggering.
Yet again putting words in my mouth. No, the violence pre-Israel wasn’t fine. But it wasn’t the oppression and attempted genocide of an indigenous people.
Nobody is alive that would have had a say in any of the shit you brought up.
There are people alive who had a hand in, or were victims of, the Nakba. The distinction really isn’t that hard to make unless you’re just terribly dense or have an agenda.
And I haven’t brought up land rights at all, but land is being actively taken away from Palestinians illegally as part of their ongoing oppression, so yet again you show yourself to be an uneducated idiot who comments on shit they don’t understand.
Not at all what you said. You’re a hateful atheist for lumping all Palestinians together with religious extremists, repeatedly, for discussing the entire conflict as if there are only religious fundamentalists involved, for the callous way you discuss religion’s involvement in the conflict, and the way you let it cloud your perception of events so much that you minimize attempted genocide. (Also, coincidentally why I called you a racist. Because characterizing an entire people group by the actions of religious extremists is fucking racist, bigot)
Again with the racism. Can’t go two lines without it. “These people” are not all religious extremists. You can call for the end of the oppression of Palestinians while also calling for a situation that doesn’t put Hamas in power. It’s kinda crazy, you don’t need to let your hate for religion influence how you speak about an entire oppressed people group.
That’s a real minimalist way to say they’ve been committing genocide for 80 years.
Yakno for someone who hates on people believing in imaginary shit, you sure like to make up imaginary scenarios to use in arguments a lot. I’m not in lalaland like ur bigoted ass, I’m in the real world where ACTUAL OPPRESSION IS CURRENTLY HAPPENING. That’s what I care about, not saying that the people being oppressed deserve it cause “they’d probably do the same thing” (Racism. That there is racism. Since you have no clue what racism is either, apparently)
You have actually made a number of racist/bigoted remarks in your comments. I call out your bigotry/racism for what it is, and have specifically identified things you’ve said that are problematic. It’s not just an insult I throw around, you were just literally being racist, because you’re a bigot. Show me where I’ve said something bigoted or racist.
In fact, the first comment of yours I replied to was some shit I called out, and every comment since has had something that was either outright bigotry or reeked of it.
At this point, there is a clear pattern of bigoted remarks, which takes it from “you’re saying some things that maybe are bigoted” (paraphrasing my first reply to you) to “you’ve made a lot of racist/bigoted remarks, and you refuse to address the problematic nature of your comments while continuing to say the same shit. Therefore, you’re a fucking bigot”.
And bigoted idiots never stop spewing bullshit.
I got an impossible challenge for ur response:
No pearl-clutching (“tHeY’D dEstrOY mY Way oF LifE”-type shit)
No false equivalencies (talk about oppression without an imaginary whataboutism scenario)
Talk about victims of oppression without deflecting to ur hatred of religion (and with actual compassion, for added bonus)
For someone who claims to care about women’s rights and protecting ur “way of life” u sure don’t seem to give af if Palestinian women get human rights anytime soon. Fucking hypocrite.
98% of Palestinians are Sunni Muslims who support Sharia law. Show me the government of Palestine that doesn’t. They elected Hamas.
People like you easily blame all Americans for the actions of american government. You easily blame Israelis for the actions of Israel government. But you want zero responsibility for Palestinians for Palestinians government. Get over yourself, self-righteous hypocrite.
The last election was 2006, was obstructed by Israel, and while Hamas won, they only had 44% of the vote. It’s also not surprising that Palestinians would vote for the group they thought had the best chance of standing up to Israel, even if they may disagree with Hamas otherwise.
So even in the midst of horrific oppression, a majority of Palestinians DID NOT vote for Hamas, despite their oppression at the hands of the Israeli govt. To me that says a WHOLE LOTTA “not everyone agrees with Hamas”.
Source for your racist ass since you said more racist BS without a source and can’t be assed to look up basic details when ur racism and blind hatred of religion is involved (bigot).
There isn’t a proper government of Palestine because of Israeli oppression, numbskull.
Nope, try again. EVERY SINGLE COMMENT you try to put words in my mouth and associate me with ideas I do not agree with. Your argument is so fucking idiotic that you have to resort to that to have a reply other than “yakno ur right, my hate for religion is blinding me to human rights and causing me to say racist things, and I need to go educate my ignorant ass before continuing to speak”.
Why would you even think that’d be something I say when I so clearly do the opposite when discussing other countries? Why would it make sense for me to lump 400million people, spread across a vast geographic area, with differing histories, local issues, religions, ways of life, etc. together? What thought process led you to such a stupid fucking claim?
Also, unlike you, I haven’t displayed a tendency to hold double standards. You’ve been the one lumping countries and people groups together this entire conversation, but now you wanna get upset that you think I lump everyone in a country together? Talk about COGNITIVE DISSONANCE.
Quote me where I said that, straw man. (that’s ur name from now on, since you can only argue against strawman arguments)
Ur a fuckin racist, which has been demonstrated in every single comment of yours. You ignore most of my arguments because you have no response. Your responses are filled with strawman arguments, ignoring facts, false equivalencies, and unhinged hatred of religion which clouds your ability to think critically or be empathetic towards people who are being oppressed and suffering human rights abuses. Get over yourself, self-righteous bigot.
Take the fucking L and stop embarrassing yourself. It’s really painful tbh watching you humiliate yourself like this. You got a humiliation fetish or something?
I’d rather watch you try to keep convincing yourself that everyone else is a hateful ass and you are the only one who understands Israel / Palestine, and its such an easy conflict to solve if we’d all just admit Palestinians are the ultimate victims… and … what? kick Israel out of the middle east? I don’t think I’ve heard your solution.
TO summarize: When they had power and they chose to make a 2 tiered society: that was long ago - they can’t be blamed for that.
When Palestine thought they had enough power to get rid of Israel, and they tried to do it in a war they lost - they can’t be blamed for that. Those were ‘colonizers’ they were trying to kill.
When they elected Hamas and attacked Israel, they can’t be blamed for that because they were frustrated at their lack of power.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Nope, just you actually.
Nope, lots of people (who have actually educated themselves) understand it. You just let your bigotry get in the way of doing so.
Ending the apartheid of Palestinians is necessary before anything else. That is what my comments have focused on this entire discussion, aside from cleaning up the vomit of misinformation you insist on spewing. Anything past ending apartheid is part of a process that would need to involve all people currently living in Palestine/Israel, and would almost certainly involve some kind of intermediary party.
That’s because it’s not my place to offer that, and me suggesting a solution would be meaningless. I do think it would probably have to involve either a 2-state solution where Palestine is given assistance to rebuild, or a carefully constructed single state where the rights of all citizens are protected. But again, that’s just like “yeah I think these are probably the most likely general ways that peace could be found there”, I’m not making suggestions or even saying those are the most likely, I just think they may be based on my understanding of things.
I’m just trying to help inform and to combat blind hatred, misinformation, and bigotry spewed by you. That’s it.
Yup, pretty much.
To summarize (without trying to paint Palestinians as evil brown people):
>Can’t point to a single double standard of mine, just has to pretend like it’s laughable
Keep trying. I enjoy seeing bigots squirm.