• foggy@lemmy.world
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    1 year ago

    If it were so simple, you’d think we’d be able to put our thumb down on what consciousness “is” and “isn’t,” where it comes from, etc.

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      Why? What does OP’s answer have anything to do with what counscioness is or isn’t and where it comes from? You are committing a logical fallacy. There is no relation between these two.

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      1 year ago

      That sounds like a possible answer though. And if some hypothetical entity gave you the answer to that question “with 100% certainty” you’d not be much smarter… still dont know why…

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        Tell me you’re unfamiliar with the hard problem of consciousness and how it relates to AI research without telling me you’re unfamiliar with the hard problem of consciousness and how it relates to AI research.

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          Btw when you are unconcious you are by definition not concious, the same counts for when you are dead. The soul is a religious thing and there is the possibility that ir doesnt exist. This would have answered your question perfectly withojt concidering any problems related to conciousness and AI

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          consciousness is just an illusion. the only hard problem is people trying to make reality fit into their beliefs instead of the other way around

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          Can you prove that that answer is impossible? If not, it is logically an option. And as a result, there is the possibility of that answer being correct and your question being answered with that way which still doesnt help you understand why.

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        A nobel prize if you could prove it, which you cannot currently.

        Literally the biggest, hairiest problem in computation right now. Only thing keeping us from blowing the lid off AGI is not knowing or even remotely understanding what consciousness is.

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          One of my favorite quotes about this subject:

          “Consciousness is a much smaller part of our mental life than we are conscious of, because we cannot be conscious of what we are not conscious of. How simple that is to say; how difficult to appreciate! It is like asking a flashlight in a dark room to search around for something that does not have any light shining upon it. The flashlight, since there is light in whatever direction it turns, would have to conclude that there is light everywhere. And so consciousness can seem to pervade all mentality when actually it does not.”

          -Julian Jaynes

          The Origin of Consciousness in the Breakdown of the Bicameral Mind

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            I think another good analogie is the human eye. Only the center has high resolution, everything around it is rather shitty, but you never realize that, because the stuff you focus on is always in the center.

            Try to look at your self into your eyes the mirror while you are not looking at yourself :)