President Joe Biden said Tuesday Israel’s prime minister needs to change his hardline government and support for the country’s military campaign is waning amid heavy bombardment of Gaza.

President Joe Biden said Tuesday Israel’s prime minister needs to change his hardline government and support for the country’s military campaign is waning amid heavy bombardment of Gaza. … “This is the most conservative government in Israel’s history,” Biden said, adding that the Israeli government “doesn’t want a two-state solution.”

It’s mind-blowing how thoroughly Netanyahu has bungled this. They had damn near the entire world in full support after Hamas’ horrific attack on Israeli civilians, and they’ve managed to lose it.

  • Olgratin_Magmatoe@startrek.websiteEnglish
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    11 months ago

    it’s probably more than 20k. What does it prove though?

    See above definition on genocide. If thousands of dead Palestinian civilians (~50% of whom are children) isn’t enough to be labeled as genocide then the definition you are using is a bad one.

    Judging which bomb is purposefully thrown on civilians is impossible.

    Are you saying that when Israel bombed the Jabalia refugee camp, they were not intentionally killing civilians?

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/nov/18/israeli-airstrikes-kill-80-in-palestinian-refugee-camp

      • Olgratin_Magmatoe@startrek.websiteEnglish
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        11 months ago

        Most of those deaths happen due to the lack shelters and lack of places where people can hide.

        …and the bombs landing on their heads.

        If Israel wanted to genocide Palestinians, they would have done it in a week.

        Not all genocides are done with equal fervor.

        Also, they would not have to be dead if Hamas didn’t start this.

        This was started in 1948 when Palestinians were forced from their homes. Playing a game of “who started it” doesn’t justify anything.

        it’s more of an approach where they no longer try as much to limit civilian causalities as much as possible.

        Yeah… almost like they are totally OK with killing civilians (genocide).

          • Olgratin_Magmatoe@startrek.websiteEnglish
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            11 months ago

            How should Israel respond?

            I get that there are unused ways of minimizing civilian deaths

            Seems like you already know the answer to that question. Yet for some reason you’re giving Israel a free pass for killing civilians. So effectively you’re just arguing for terrorism. State terrorism, but terrorism nonetheless.

            Good people don’t kill civilians.

            I agree that genocides have different flavors but the results of all is a completely or partially removed ethnicity. By saying partially, I mean roughly 40% killed or moved to a detention facility.

            The definition of genocide contains no percentage threshold. You’re making definitions up out of thin air.

              • Olgratin_Magmatoe@startrek.websiteEnglish
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                11 months ago

                It’s impossible not to kill civilians in such a conflict when the area you are fighting in is a densely populated city

                But it is possible to not drop bombs on areas you KNOW civilians are at.

                Of course genocide is not defined by numbers. However, all genocides should have some traits in common.

                This is also not a part of the definition of genocide.

                  • Olgratin_Magmatoe@startrek.websiteEnglish
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                    11 months ago

                    Civilians are pretty much everywhere alongside Hamas members who are usually between them.

                    Yeah, so maybe they should stop dropping bombs.

                    Israeli actions wouldn’t be similar to any of them.

                    Not only is this not true, but even if it were, as I’ve already pointed out it doesn’t need to be similar. A genocide can be totally unique yet still fall under the definition of genocide.