Do you think people who illegal street race are ‘bad people’?
Yes. Its risky for everyone nearby, there is literally no upside. If you want to race, take it to a track. Every track I have been to has some kind of open track night for like $20 entry and you get santioned racing with proper facilities and a safety crew on standby. Its moronic to do it anywhere else.
That would be a great option if tracks stopped getting bought out, torn down, and replaced with suburbs.
Also, even if you do have access to one, they have gotten very expensive and have strict vehicle regulations. Idk where you live that you can get on a track for $20 but where I live, one would be lucky to get on a (non-drag strip) track for $500.
Not defending street racing, but it isn’t that simple.
What I have seen is that if you get in with local car clubs, you can get autox runs for not much money. If you don’t mind dirt, rallyx or dirtx days are also a good way to get track time on a budget.
Yes, proper track days on a real circuit are expensive but when you look at the consumables like tires, brakes, oil, etc, the entry fee is minimal compared to the actual cost. Even when I had my mini, it was like that. It also really depends on the track. In Houston we have MSR and Grandsport, msr is pricey. Grandsport used to be rented for the day for like $2k and split between 10 or 15 people, that was cheaper than a speeding ticket.
Realistically, the street racing that occurs around me is all drag style highway blasts or streetlight races. None of these douches are doing circuit drives. So the $20 number wasn’t far off (at least it was before Royal Purple was shut down)
The problem of tracks getting closed is a major one. Nimby ruins it for everyone. The “racers” are also still to blame here. Its impulse control, and personal responsibility/accountability. Realistically too, a speeding ticket here is $150 minimum, plus court fees of $150ish, plus defensive driving course of $100ish so you are basically to the $500 figure anyways.
Once I actually stated meeting people in life who go out to the track, I saw street racers in a new light. I never admired them in the first place, but I started seeing them as absolutely pathetic, once I became aware of how easy and popular it is to take your car out to a track and actually push its limits and/or compete with others.
A lot of people like to go to the firing range, too. But you don’t see them doing target practice walking down the sidewalk. That’s essentially what street racing is.
Motorcyclist here. Pretty much everything I say except stunting is also applicable to car drivers as well.
Speed is so damned much fun, especially on two wheels. Hit the straight and twist that throttle, and you are GONE!!!
That said, we have a name for people who do that on the streets - squids. They are the bane of our community, and give us a bad reputation in the general population.
Want to go fast? Hit up a track day and get some instruction to go with it. Or book some track time just to unwind. Or maybe - just maybe (depending on your local circumstances), find a paved secondary highway with no traffic.
But street racing? Stunting? Showing off? GET THE FUCKING FUCK OFF THE FUCKING ROAD YOU FUCKING FUCK!!!
Squids have always been gearless riders to me and my circle, not the name for reckless riders
What are the first two letters in “squids”?
They’re selfish cunts.
It looks like the kid is going to keep trying
Maybe he has a humiliation kink or something?
Yes. Its incredibly risky behaviour for everyone around.
Putting people at risk like this when they had no say in it is what makes someone a bad person.
If they were just endangering themselves? I don’t care.
But in the real world, yeah, they’re horrible people that put lives at risk, along with property.
100% yes!
In a word, mostly, yes.
They are endangering themselves and everyone around them.
Go to a race track on a track day. Or organize one.
I don’t like framing things in terms of doing a bad thing = being a bad person.
But they are undoubtedly doing a bad thing, street racing endangers bystanders and can get people seriously hurt or even killed.
I don’t like framing things in terms of doing a bad thing = being a bad person.
premeditatedly doing bad thing = bad person
Eh.
There’s levels of “bad thing”. Stealing a cookie might be a bad thing, but it’s mostly harmless. Stealing, I dunno, someone’s life saving medication…? Probably makes the thief a bad person.
(If some one were to steal, I dunno, putin’s meds, I don’t think anyone here would be particularly inclined to accuse them, but, details.)
Yeah. I don’t know how they are on balance, but I know 100℅ it’s a bad action.
Unless we’re talking about doing doughnuts at traffic lights in ATL, that seems kinda cool. But it is not racing so the initial premise holds.
There’s so little actual street racing that I’m not convinced OP is actually asking about racing. Speeding, weaving, running lights, playing in traffic, stunting motorcycles, sliding cars, donuts, burnouts, takeovers, launches, pulls, hits, runs, and digs can all be variably reckless events that the gen pop will call “racing”. Donuts/burnouts have plenty of crash videos where they damage property. Mustangs eat crowds, chargers smack stopped cars, infinitis hit other takeover kids.
Do you think murderers are “bad people?”
YES
Yes
Your idiotic attempt to justify it a couple of days ago hasn’t been forgotten
I hope you only harm yourself with your stupidity and selfishness
Holy shit, you weren’t joking.
Very weird that he’s somehow seeking validation in this fashion.
Yeah
Are people with no moral compass, no imagination, a demonstrated lack of intelligence and a demonstrated lack of care for anyone but themselves bad people?
Do we even need to consider labeling them as such? The other descriptions of their behavior should be damning enough on their own, surely?
it turned out that there are, in fact, stupid questions…
Even needing to ask… I mean, there are no stupid questions and I know nothing about you, so, fair.
But imagine this. Streets are public transport paths with agreed upon rules. These rules are there for (likely more than but also) survival and safety.
So willfully ignoring that and racing there is risking the safety of others on purpose.
Now the answer should be clear.
For context: am motorcycle rider, drove several cars >200 km/H (>120 mp/H) legally, when it was safely possible, in Germany. Nowadays ist mostly isn’t at all.
