That’s some exceptional watering down of the word terrorist you’re participating in there. Keep going and your both-sides-ing will make it so the IDF’s actions don’t seem abnormal at all!
Canada’s military was responsible for the subjugation and genocide of many First Nations group, including against the Metis, Cree, and Assiniboine peoples, as well as deployed abroad to subjugate the Boers in South Africa in support of the British Empire. The Canadian Army was also deployed in Afghanistan, where Western powers fought for two decades to replace the Taliban with the Taliban and caused untold amounts of suffering in the process.
Terrorism is any act that uses violence or fear of violence for a political goal. This is what militaries do, if you threaten them they use violence to suppress or kill you. Some of them are more successful than others, but fundamentally whether it’s a group of rebels or the military of a nation state, they use violence to force everyone within their controlled territory to submit to their authority.
Im with you ! I know and understand people don’t like to see things this way, but I never saw any good argument as to why this nuance between legal/legitimate and illegal/illegitimate power should be taken into account in theory (other than practical matters, like it would be kinda hard to organize any other way now)
I think the big difference is whether the force follows the rules of war or not. Obviously the CAF has had some violations, but not on an organisational level like the IRGC.
Yeah, this is what makes one legal and the other one not. I suppose that in your opinion, being legal and following rules of war makes it better and I would agree, it seems reasonably better. But is it good though ? To my eyes, killing and spreading terror remains bad, legally or not. If we add some other parameter, it may even be worse to do it legally : the scale of destruction is far worse when a violent group is legal (and so financed and supported by whole countries).
The result of the analysis depends on what parameters you choose : is it legal ? Is it big ? What are the motives ? You can choose what you want, and that’s probably why we (I assume this here) have different opinions. My wonder is : why should we focus mostly or entirely on the legal aspect/parameter when analysing things like violence and power ?
(If i misunderstood what you said, sorry by advance)
All militaries are by definition terrorist organizations, this seems reasonable.
That’s some exceptional watering down of the word terrorist you’re participating in there. Keep going and your both-sides-ing will make it so the IDF’s actions don’t seem abnormal at all!
Considering Canada declared Iran’s army as a terrorist entity…
Not all militaries are equal. Iran != Canada - don’t fall into both-sidesism.
Canada’s military was responsible for the subjugation and genocide of many First Nations group, including against the Metis, Cree, and Assiniboine peoples, as well as deployed abroad to subjugate the Boers in South Africa in support of the British Empire. The Canadian Army was also deployed in Afghanistan, where Western powers fought for two decades to replace the Taliban with the Taliban and caused untold amounts of suffering in the process.
Now do Iran.
The Clovis people would like a word.
But they’re wiped out. Violently.
Weird how that’s not in the stories though.
Genocide is ok because it happened in the past? Glad to know how much you respect the rule of law and whatever.
Terrorism is any act that uses violence or fear of violence for a political goal. This is what militaries do, if you threaten them they use violence to suppress or kill you. Some of them are more successful than others, but fundamentally whether it’s a group of rebels or the military of a nation state, they use violence to force everyone within their controlled territory to submit to their authority.
I see you chose the double down
If you had a valid counter-argument, wouldn’t you have presented it there?
By that argument, a “no shirt, no shoes, no service” policy is terrorism. “$1000 fine for littering” is terrorism. “Keep off the grass” is terrorism.
Im with you ! I know and understand people don’t like to see things this way, but I never saw any good argument as to why this nuance between legal/legitimate and illegal/illegitimate power should be taken into account in theory (other than practical matters, like it would be kinda hard to organize any other way now)
I think the big difference is whether the force follows the rules of war or not. Obviously the CAF has had some violations, but not on an organisational level like the IRGC.
Yeah, this is what makes one legal and the other one not. I suppose that in your opinion, being legal and following rules of war makes it better and I would agree, it seems reasonably better. But is it good though ? To my eyes, killing and spreading terror remains bad, legally or not. If we add some other parameter, it may even be worse to do it legally : the scale of destruction is far worse when a violent group is legal (and so financed and supported by whole countries).
The result of the analysis depends on what parameters you choose : is it legal ? Is it big ? What are the motives ? You can choose what you want, and that’s probably why we (I assume this here) have different opinions. My wonder is : why should we focus mostly or entirely on the legal aspect/parameter when analysing things like violence and power ?
(If i misunderstood what you said, sorry by advance)
I’ll take “what is reductivism?” for $400, Alex.
No, no, they’re the good kind of murderers.