• givesomefucks@lemmy.world
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    The “intensive” phase of Israel’s offensive in Gaza will soon end, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said Sunday — but he signaled he would only accept a “partial” cease-fire deal that would not end the war, and that this new phase would allow a shift in focus to the simmering conflict on the country’s northern border with Lebanon.

    1. According to Bibi…

    2. And in the same breathe saying he doesn’t want to end the war.

    Bibi is facing calls from the left and right in his country to stop stalling the election. If an election happens, he’s not going to win.

    So he’s going to keep this war going as long as possible. And is blatantly saying any slow down in Gaza would be to increase attacks on Lebanon.

    It’s literally the only thing keeping him in office, because war is his only excuse for not letting Israelis hold a vote.

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    Then the non-intense but never-ending phase begins.

    They don’t need an intense phase at this point. Who’s left?

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    This corresponds with the previous recent Lebanese leak that israel is going to pipe down the Genocide in 5 weeks and now commit to starting a war with Hezbollah

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      War definition: a state of armed conflict between different nations or states or different groups within a nation or state

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        Ah, so the holocaust was a war then too since some jews resisted, right? If the US government started killing illegal migrants would that be a “war”?

        Always makes things so much simpler when we can just kind of make words mean whatever we want huh?

        • slurpinderpin@lemmy.worldOP
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          No. Hamas is an organized armed group, fighting Israel, another organized armed group. You are the one trying to twist the definition of war. It’s very clear cut

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            The vast majority of deaths are innocent civilians. It’s not a war, no.

            There were holocaust survivors that armed themselves and fought back. That makes it a war by your definition. Germany and the jews of europe were just fighting a war.

            See how that works?

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              Ugh man, sure, if you want to go that far, Jews who armed themselves and fought against Nazis were in a war. Whatever. But in war, civilians are killed.

              “Between 300,000–600,000 German civilians and over 200,000 Japanese civilians were killed by allied bombing during the Second World War, most as a result of raids intentionally targeted against civilians themselves.” Source: https://academic.oup.com/book/9859/chapter-abstract/157134577?redirectedFrom=fulltext

              “Some 75 million people died in World War II, including about 20 million military personnel and 40 million civilians” Source : https://courses.lumenlearning.com/suny-hccc-worldhistory2/chapter/casualties-of-world-war-ii/

              Please recognize that you are trying to twist the definition of war here, not me.

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                Yeah, totally, the victims of the holocaust were just civilian casulties on the jewish side, that’s just war, you know? Civilians are gonna be systematically targeted and killed, civilian infrastructure decimated intentionally etc.

                The irony of you saying I’m twisting the definition of war when Israel has total control of Gaza, controls any food, water, electricity has bombed 70% of infrastructure and driven the entire population into a tiny square of land is too much. You can’t actually be serious.

                Gaza is an apartheid state controlled by Israel, there is no functioning state that they’re overthrowing, there is no standing army or opposing military industry, they already 100% control Gaza. If the government blows up an entire block of apartments because a terrorist is hiding there that’s not “war” that’s indiscriminate slaughter.

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                  Go read the definition of war again. It doesn’t require a functioning state with a standing army. It doesn’t mention anything about civilian deaths. It’s literally just 2 sides engaged in an armed conflict. Want to argue about the definition of war? Write to Merriam Webster. I don’t care

                  https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/war

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          There was this little thing that was happening around the same time as the holocaust, World War 2.

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            Yeah, the Germans and the jews were just two warring factions, same as the UK and Germany or the US and Japan etc. The jews weren’t experiencing a genocide, they were just experiencing a war like everyone else. Right?

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              the point slurpinderpin and me are making is they can happen simultaneously, neither of us are denying genocide.

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                No, the point they’re avoiding is that the word “war” is pretty obviously being used to make it seem as if these are two equal sides fighting it out. That’s why the media continues to use the word “war” to describe what’s happening, to make it seem like Israel is somehow justified in what they are doing and that the Gazans have some kind of agency here. It’s an attempt to normalize genocide.

                In reality it isn’t a war, it’s a slaughter in a territory where Israel controls everything already and where they are indiscriminately killing civilians, decimating civilian infrastructure (hospitals, schools, bakeries, bulldozing cemetaries etc.) and choking off aid with the deliberate aim of inflicting as much death and suffering on the people of Gaza as possible.

                If I have someone tied up and am pummeling them in the face that’s not a “fight”, just like bombing fish in a barrel is not a 'war". It’s just right wing propaganda-speak and it needs to stop.

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      Yes, it is important to kill those kids so the next generation of terrorists never grows up. /s

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          It’s really just a bunch of leftists who think that any side that is disadvantaged (see Hamas in this scenario) deserves their undying support. It’s pretty whack, especially when it means supporting literal terrorists

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            Most people would be happy if a Bibi only killed Hamas instead of just firing bombs indiscriminately into refugee shelters and hospitals. It’s been made pretty clear that the IDF cares nothing about innocent civilians. If you want to make more terrorists, this is how you make more terrorists.