Lead Lemmy Developer, Dessalines, denying the Tiananmen Square Massacre and praising the Uyghur Genocide

https://sh.itjust.works/post/8419342

Dessalines AKA “parentis_shotgun” on Reddit, is the main Lemmy dev, also the admin of lemmy.ml and lemmygrad.ml.

Their post and discussions on Reddit (archive as the original post must have been removed):

https://web.archive.org/web/20230626055233/https://old.reddit.com/r/communism/comments/cqgztr/fuck_the_white_supremacist_reddit_admins_want_me/

Please join the discussions for Lemmy.ml tankie censorship problem:

https://lemmy.world/post/16211417

And the discussions for finding/creating alternative communities on other instances:

https://lemmy.world/post/16235541

What is a tankie?

Tankie is a pejorative label generally applied to authoritarian communists, especially those who support acts of repression by such regimes or their allies. More specifically, the term has been applied to those who express support for one-party Marxist–Leninist socialist republics, whether contemporary or historical.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tankie

  • UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world
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    I’m saying that China does not economically classify as a communist state

    They do. Because they’re pursuing communist economic policies.

    communism as officially proclaimed ideology is conflated with communism as an actual economic system

    Sure. If I’m Elon Musk and saying “By the way, I am actually a socialist. Just not the kind that shifts resources from most productive to least productive” then that’s horseshit nonsense.

    However, if I’m Luo Wen, the current director of the State Administration for Market Regulation, focused on breaking up monopolies and limiting the capacity of private business to consolidate control in a given industry, I’m both ideologically and actually committed to communist economic principles.

    A state can even apply some of the Marxist-Leninist-Maoist principles, but it is economically capitalist as long as means of production are controlled by private entities

    The Chinese state leadership gave up on trying to be direct owner-operators of capital during the Deng Era. However, it still strictly enforces a prohibition on foreign control of domestic capital as a legacy of its anti-colonial mission. The means of production remain property of the Chinese proletariat.

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      Define “communist economic policies”.

      If you’re Luo Wen, you’re in favor of state regulations of the capitalist market; you are not pursuing communist policies.

      It’s not enough to maintain domestic control of the capital - this is a feature of any protectionist regime, even a fascist one. You should also make sure this capital is entirely democratically controlled and owned by the workers - which is not what happens in China. The capital of Chinese businesses is not the “property of workers”.

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        Define “communist economic policies”.

        Strict prohibitions on foreign controlling interest in real estate, capital, and intellectual property, for starters.

        If you’re Luo Wen, you’re in favor of state regulations of the capitalist market

        State regulation for the purpose of limiting foreign ownership, foreign manipulation of domestic markets, and foreign monopoly of natural resources. This leads to:

        • Enormous SOEs where demand is inelastic - in the utilities, agriculture, education, and health care sectors.
        • Domestication of intellectual property, such that foreign investors effectively subsidize Chinese R&D and future capital improvements
        • Large investments in public infrastructure which operates at-cost or at-loss, for the purpose of stimulating domestic economic growth
        • Stringent restrictions on what is seen as socially harmful economic activity - casinos/gambling, recreational drug use, electronic entertainment, and reactionary media
        • Protecting the viability of public pensions and public insurance, for the purpose of flattening the risk curve and improving long term quality of life

        All of these rules are intended to protect domestic markets and maintain local control of business capital.

        The capital of Chinese businesses is not the “property of workers”.

        It is the property of the Chinese People, as opposed to a cartel of foreign landlords. The surplus produced by Chinese business returns to the Chinese economy in the form of improvements to the socio-economic landscape. Chinese consumers enjoy an abundance of at-cost / below-cost social services, because they are not exposed to the rent-seeking behaviors of the predatory capitalist class. And Chinese business executives suffer the kind of regulatory surveillance and oversight that is largely neglected in Western democracies.

        This guarantees that workers enjoy the surplus value of their labor. And that is the end goal of a Communist economy.

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          Strict prohibitions on foreign controlling interest in real estate, capital, and intellectual property, for starters.

          This is protectionism and it has literally nothing to do with communism. Those are two absolute different things that can coexist or not coexist.

          Same relates to your other points.

          Your rhetoric is eerily similar to protectionist points of Nazi Germany, a very non-communist state that was obsessed with domestic control and protecting domestic capitalist with the proclaimed idea of “capital belonging to all people of Germany”, as opposed to “evil Jewish cartels”.

          Simply trapping the capital inside the country speaks little of what gets to the workers. And if we talk communism, ALL of the capital is directly owned by the collective of workers. Which is not China.

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            This is protectionism and it has literally nothing to do with communism.

            It’s protection for domestic ownership of property.

            Your rhetoric is eerily similar to protectionist points of Nazi Germany

            It was similar to Communist protectionist points of the KDP.

            You’ve been pumped full of bad info, and at this point I don’t know what to tell you except to get outside whatever Western propaganda hot house you’ve found yourself in.

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              As I said, protectionism may coexist or not coexist with communism, as it can with any other economic system.

              If you’re serious about equating protectionism and communism, you should probably be happy with the way things were done in the Third Reich.

              You should seriously reconsider the terms you employ, and read the classics more thoroughly. Also, open the goddamn Wikipedia if you’re too lazy for that.

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                protectionism may coexist or not coexist with communism

                Only if you ignore the history of anti-colonialism that gave birth to communist movements in the third world.

                If you’re serious about equating protectionism and communism, you should probably be happy with the way things were done in the Third Reich.

                That’s utterly ahistorical. There was nothing protectionist about Nazi Germany.

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                  No, I just state the fact that protectionism doesn’t mean communism and globalism doesn’t mean capitalism.

                  They are different terms for a reason.

                  There was everything protectionist about Nazi Germany, who seeked to give control of German industries to German capitalists.

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                    protectionism doesn’t mean communism and globalism doesn’t mean capitalism

                    Capitalism requires an economic frontier for continuous growth, which necessitates extraterritorial expansion. Communism requires home rule and self-sufficient domestic industry, which necessitates protectionism.

                    They are different terms for a reason.

                    One describes a broad philosophy and the other describes a tool of policy. Might as well say Plumber and Pipe are different terms for a reason.