US president’s remarks to Time magazine about PM’s role in conflict draw heavily critical response from Israeli government
Joe Biden has said that there is “every reason” to draw the conclusion that Benjamin Netanyahu is prolonging the war in Gaza for his own political self-preservation.
Biden made the remarks about the Israeli prime minister in an interview with Time magazine published on Tuesday morning, drawing a sharp response from the Israeli government, which accused the US president of straying from diplomatic norms.
Netanyahu’s popularity plummeted after the 7 October attack by Hamas, which exposed serious flaws in Israeli security. Most political observers say Netanyahu would lose elections if they were held now, and would be forced into opposition, facing court hearings on corruption charges. But elections have been put off until the war is over, or at least until major military operations are deemed to have been completed.
Time asked Biden whether he believed Netanyahu was “prolonging the war for his own political self-preservation”.
“I’m not going to comment on that,” the president said in response, but added: “There is every reason for people to draw that conclusion.”
So we’re going to stop supplying Israel with weapons, money, and international cover, right? RIGHT?
No, Congress is going after the ICC for daring to investigate Israeli leaders for War Crimes
Good thing Congress can’t do shit about it short of repealing the Leahy Law with a veto proof majority.
Now what would be comical (not actually comical) is to see Congress declare war for the first time since world war 2. They can do so without the presidents approval I believe, and can fund it against the presidents wishes. Now… The president can just tell the troops not to go to war though, showing how broken that system is.
No war, the president can send troops. War, the president can not send troops.
So the other representatives don’t matter to awfully much when it comes to starting wars. Now ending them on the other hand … Congress holds that with the funding part.Yeah it’s not a great system and the war powers act was only ever a band aid.
Leahy Law only works if the State Department provides proof of human rights violations. Findings from the ICC or ICJ only matter if they are corroborated in US intelligence. Biden needs to mandate a conclusive reassessment from the State Department to disregard congressional direction.
So as far as I know, we don’t need the State Department to acknowledge it. The laws bind State and Defense from sending stuff but that information can come from anywhere. They can stop based on their internal assessment or the President can stop them based on reports from the intelligence community or the ICC.
Without support of US intelligence or recorded first-hand accounts, he has no defense in an impeachment hearing for taking actions against the advisement of Congress and the State Department. He needs the support of one branch to make a move like this, or he’ll face impeachment by Republicans in Congress.
He oversees the State Department as they’re part of the Executive Branch. He can mandate reassessment due to new information such as the recent “accidents” by Israel, or disclosure of suppressed information by former employees. It’s his best option other than direct oversight with a ceasefire agreement.
Well good thing he has those. And the ICC assessments would work too. Which he also has.
You think state department returned that finding without asking him first? People are literally quitting that working group and telling the news. This isn’t a deep state thing.
Biden can shut off the aid any time he wants.
For a bonus round - how about we see some “strategic voting” by our representatives and Senators? Why are we coddling them? A successful impeachment would basically ensure a Trump victory, and anything less isn’t paid attention because the Republicans cried wolf too many times. So why are we worried about this again?
ICC statements are not recognized in the US unless included in State Department intelligence reports. POTUS cannot justify action based on them, nor can he use them as defense in an impeachment hearing.
Again, while he can amend existing agreements whenever he wants, he will have no legal defense for his actions against advisement and legislation of the rest of our government.
Biden needs to mandate a conclusive reassessment form the State Department so what Congress says doesn’t matter.
You should just say republicans.
There arent any democrats doing that.
42 Democrats voted with Republicans.
Yes, for Ukraine, Israel, and Taiwan aid.
Ukraine needed it more than Israel didn’t.
That was after Republicans tried to pass aid for Israel independent of Ukraine and Taiwan.
Just because the news is focused on Israel doesn’t mean the genocide in Ukraine has ended. Russia has abducted over 700,000 children since the beginning of the war. Putin is loving the media redirection while he continues his atrocities.
https://www.rferl.org/a/russia-children-taken-ukraine/32527298.html
You’re not supposed to say the quiet part out loud! -Isreal
He literally didn’t even say it, he just admitted that there are reasons for other people to think it. This headline wants him to have said something much stronger than he actually did, and even then Israel is throwing a hissy fit over anything short of full-throated support.
Yup.
Yeah, not trying to argue, just pointing out how it’s even worse. It’s so easy to accept a false premise when someone states it up front like this headline does.
Full quote:
Time asked Biden whether he believed Netanyahu was “prolonging the war for his own political self-preservation”.
“I’m not going to comment on that,” the president said in response, but added: “There is every reason for people to draw that conclusion.”
But he still won’t even fucking say it…
And people are already trying to frame this as him being “tough” on Israel.
No matter what happens, no matter what atrocities they commit, Biden will always be loyal to Israel over all else.
Which should be immediately disqualifying for president of America, for reasons that should be obvious by now.
“There’s every reason for people to believe X, but I’m not going to comment on it” is commenting on it. If your friend said “there’s every reason to believe GSF murdered a hobo for fun, but I’m not going to comment on it”, you’re not going to thank them for not commenting on it.
Biden has been WAAAAAY too deferential to Israel, and this is kind of a weak ass way to say it, but it was definitely said.
But he still won’t even fucking say it…
He just did. In diplomatic terms, he screamed it to the heavens.
International messaging isn’t played at the level of you and I shooting the shit between ourselves. Netanyahu likely shit himself in rage and fear over this.
Bruh, there have been other presidents…
And they all said much worse, much earlier when Israel pulled their shit.
Stop pretending this means anythingnwhilenBiden is still lying and saying there’s no genocide while.providing munitions.
For fucks sake, it’s worse if Biden actually knows what’s going on and this is all he’s doing.
It surely means something, when this was said by the American President and it definitely means more than what other countries said.
America is THE Ally for Israel.
Just like Germany, America can’t just drop Support for Israel. It’s the first time, one of the 2 “never turn by back to Israel” supporters made such a remark.
Other countries saying something is like other kids in school talking about you.
USA or Germany saying something is like Mom or Dad coming into your room and saying it to your face.
I’m sorry that wasn’t clear
I meant other presidents of America.
Who were all able to pull Israel back.
When Obama did it, Biden publicly called him out
Biden recounted in private that when he was vice president in 2014 and Israel mounted a military assault on Gaza, Obama and his staff rejected his belief, held for decades, that the best way to approach the Israelis is to hug them close but not criticize them, the people familiar with his comments said.
Instead, they said Biden has noted, Obama publicly admonished Israel’s actions and voiced concern for Palestinian civilian deaths early into the 2014 conflict. As a result, Biden has argued, Obama squandered any ability to influence the Israeli government as it invaded Gaza, said the people familiar with his comments.
They said Biden’s message when he revisited the 2014 debate was: I was right then, and I am right now.
The reason it’s gone this far, is Israel knows Biden will never stop supporting them. They can do whatever they want.
Consider my comment moot to your point.
I see what you meant now and these are all facts that i agree overall.
There are also European elections coming up. Together with the presidential election, the results will influence the 2 wars we have going on.
But I’m afraid, the only choices are:
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Everything continues like it is now
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Everything will get much worse
& I feel like we are straying far away from:
- Make things better, for everyone
Yep.
And the worst part about is “make things better, for everyone” not being picked, is that would make it a lot easier to avoid “everything will get much worse”.
Say what you want about Bill and Obama’s actions while in office, but they were charismatic as hell and ran progressive campaigns. Campaigns that easily got them into and kept them in the White House.
Yet for some reason when Trump showed up, we have to start running candidates like Hillary and Biden?
There’s no rational reason behind it, if the only thing that matters is beating trump, we should give the voters what they want.
We need to run candidates who are similar to Bill and Obama, not people that just used to stand next to them a lot like their wife or VP. Charisma doesn’t just rub off on people like that.
So your solution is to just find someone that’s charismatic as hell? That’s what you’re putting up as the best option for president of the United States?
Genocide? Genny who? This guy’s charismatic as hell, I didn’t care what he does!
You’re handlers really need to feed you a more coherent narrative.
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Biden essentially just told the world the US has no faith in Netanyahu leadership, which is essentially telling the Likkud to disband and form a new coalition government.
I get that you guys are demanding he use a word that the ICC has refused to use, but he is laying the groundwork yo accomplish an end to this but it doesn’t fit your narrative.
Biden essentially just told the world the US has no faith in Netanyahu leadership
I suggest you read the actual interview, although it’s hard to understand what Biden says before the media trims it into sound bites.
Interviewer: Not at all. Some in Israel have suggested that Netanyahu is prolonging the war for his own political self-preservation. Do you believe that?
Biden: I’m not going to comment on that. There is every reason for people to draw that conclusion. And I would cite tha as—before the war began, the blowback he was getting from the Israeli military for wanting to change the constitu—change the court. And so it’s an internal domestic debate that seems to have no consequence. And whether he would change his position or not, it’s hard to say, but it has not been helpful.
https://time.com/6984968/joe-biden-transcript-2024-interview/
He also blames Hamas that there’s no ceasefire:
And whose fault is it that the that deal, the ceasefire for hostages has not been consummated? Is it Hamas or Israel or both?
Biden: Hamas. Hamas could end this tomorrow. Hamas could say (unintelligible) and done period. And, but, and the last offer Israel made was very generous in terms of who they’d be willing to release, what they’d give in return, et cetera. Bibi is under enormous pressure on the hostages, on the hostages, and so he’s prepared to do about anything to get the hostages back.
And denying their genocide:
More broadly, from the intelligence in the evidence you’ve seen, either currently or in the last months, have Israeli forces committed war crimes in Gaza?
Biden: The answer is it’s uncertain and has been investigated by the Israelis themselves. The ICC is something that we don’t, we don’t recognize. But one thing is certain, the people in Gaza, the Palestinians have suffered greatly, for lack of food, water, medicine, etc. And a lot of innocent people have been killed. But it is—and a lot of it has to do not just with Israelis, but what Hamas is doing in Israel as we speak. Hamas is intimidating that population. I went over right after that attack on the Israelis. What they did was—exceeded anything I’ve ever seen. And I’ve seen a lot. Tying mothers and daughters together with rope and pouring kerosene on it and burning them to death. That kind of thing, attempting to intimidate. And it is dastardly.
Important note: Biden just keep repeating things that he claimed ms Hamas did, but there’s no evidence besides Israel saying “trust me bro” yet he constantly excuses Israel’s human rights abuses.
Don’t just read the small sound bites and fill in the gaps with what you hope it meant.
That’s what trumpets do.
Somehow this is just as incoherent as Trump transcriptions
What is taken out of context when he says that people have every reason to believe Netanyahu is prolonging the war, and then goes on yo say Netanyahu is unhelpful and that he no longer cares whether Netanyahu can change his mind?
He is clearly telling the Likkud to call an election.
Or are you taking offense at the idea that Hamas is responsible for this war? They are.
What is taken out of context when he says that people have every reason to believe Netanyahu is prolonging the war, and then goes on yo say Netanyahu is unhelpful and that he no longer cares whether Netanyahu can change his mind?
The full context is the link, but your summary of even just the quoted parts is way off…
And I’m not sure where any of the rest of what you’re saying is coming from either.
I don’t think you trying to clarify is going to help though.
I think a lot of people don’t understand the implications of saying it’s genocide out loud.
Since 1988 (when the US officially joined the Convention on Genocide), if the US officially says genocide is occurring, it’s supposed to directly intervene. Several states are immune from the convention, including the US, but not Israel.
It puts the US in a delicate position. Cutting off all support to such a major ally basically requires saying they’re committing genocide, which commits us to war.
There’s a lot of people that are opposed to what’s happening in Gaza, but don’t want to get in a shooting war with Israel over it.
Okay, but the US isn’t bound by the ICC, and the ICC went with articles 7 and 8 against Netanyahu, not article 6.
Bidens gaslighting game so weak newspapers have to do it for him.
Thank you, saved me time and hope. I’m going to go have some whiskey.
And Biden is prolonging it for political loss lol
which accused the US president of straying from diplomatic norms.
Not “it’s not true”, just that it’s not polite to say.
A US President straying from diplomatic norms? How could that happen? 😱
This is why I cheered when Biden pushed for a truce the past week, even though I’ve been really critical of Biden and that move didn’t guarantee peace: because it locked the US administration into a dichotomy where they would either have to keep pushing to stop the war, or they’d look like tremendous hypocrites when Israel rejected the deal and the US continued supporting them. It’s going to be quite difficult for Biden to do anything other than opposing Netanyahu until he agrees to attend the peace talks, or is ousted.
“I’m not going to comment on that, except right now, with this comment”
classic bidenism
He didn’t really say anything other than “some people might have reason to think so”.
Later on Tuesday, Biden appeared to tone down his criticism of Netanyahu. Asked whether Netanyahu was “playing politics with the war”, Biden said: “I don’t think so. He’s trying to work out a serious problem he has.”
Every time he starts to give something halfway close to a good response to something insane happening in Gaza, he walks it back within days.
Probably got a strong finger wagging from Israel.
If only he were in some kind of position of power to do something about it.
Biden SLAMS Israeli leader that is openly hoping Biden will be displaced by Donald Trump.
Fuxed that for you all. He SLAMMED him. SLAM!
He got SLAMMED!!1!
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biden has good brain days and bad brain days 😔
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