• FlowVoid@lemmy.world
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    5 months ago

    Presumably those will end during the temporary ceasefire, allowing Israel to claim that goal has been accomplished before the permanent ceasefire.

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      5 months ago

      “They’re not shooting at us now so they never will again?” Are you really saying they’re that naive?

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        5 months ago

        That’s not a stated goal.

        The goals is to destroy the military capabilities of Hamas, which arguably has been achieved.

        “Gaza no longer poses a threat” does not mean “Gaza will never again pose a threat”. I think the words were chosen carefully. The former requires an agreement with Gazans. The latter would require a crystal ball.

        After all, I’m sure the Israeli government would agree that Egypt no longer poses a threat. Israel recently said Egypt is their friend. But that doesn’t mean Egypt will never again pose a threat, because nobody knows the future.

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          5 months ago

          “Gaza no longer poses a threat” does not mean “Gaza will never again pose a threat”.

          They sound like the same thing to me… “no longer” and “never again” mean the same thing in my experience.

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            5 months ago

            Not to me.

            The US once went to war with England, but I think most Americans agree that “England no longer poses a threat to us.”

            But is it possible that one day we will again be at war with England? I mean sure, anything is possible.

            You really can’t say anyone will “never be a threat”. Just that they aren’t a threat now.

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            Or to take a simple example, “I no longer live in California” does not mean “I will never again live in California”.

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      5 months ago

      True, if the Israeli government has shown us anything, all they really want is peace, right? Not the land. Not complete control of the people in an open-air prison. They’ll just stop all that if they, “no longer feel threatened.”

      You cannot be this naive.

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        5 months ago

        I don’t know what they want. I just think their current statements are not necessarily in conflict with the peace deal they proposed.