Israel on Saturday described as "propaganda" a claim by Hamas that the militant group had wanted to release two more hostages on humanitarian grounds but that Israel declined to receive them.
I think that trying to rationalize the behavior of two xenophobic, nationalist, religious fundamentalist far right parties it’s just a sterile exercise, often practiced (can’t rightly say if that’s your will, too) to leave out of the discourse one of these two parties, to implicitly side with one of them. that’s all I have to say. have a good day
ok, long story short. two people were released, red cross helped. hamas got these points hit:
they shown that Netanyahu govt wouldn’t help release the hostages
see? we collaborate with red cross, dear westerners, what do you have to say?
the narrative, all that matters is the narrative. hamas seem they started getting this concept…
so, did I show you why you and your deductions were wrong all the way? do you understand why hamas, Netanyahu govt and everyone else (you included?) is trying to push a narrative? do you understand now why it’s a terrible attitude?
justify either party, and one might get some blood on themself.
A. Hamas makes a statement, they want to release hostages no strings attached, Israel won’t let them ao they can’t.
B. Hamas is saying they have no ability to release hostages without Israeli assistance
C. The UN, and the Red Cross, operate inside of the Gaza strip
D. Hamas has access to the Egyptian border
Hamas statement is a lie, because point b contradicts point c and d.
Hamas statement is a lie because point a is contradicted by the contradiction and point b.
In war everybody lies, I fully acknowledge that, but here we have a statement that is self-contradictory in itself. Pointing out that this is a lie is not taking a side, it’s pointing out that this is a lie.
If people wanted to say the initial release of two US hostages, had some consideration for Hamas, and they were trying to hint that they wanted the same consideration again to release two Israeli hostages. Fine. But their statement would still be a lie, when they said they didn’t want anything to release these hostages for humanitarian reasons.
The fact that today, I guess yesterday now, they released hostages via the Red Cross is great. But it doesn’t change the fact they were lying earlier. They don’t need Israeli cooperation to release hostages as they’ve just demonstrated.
I think that trying to rationalize the behavior of two xenophobic, nationalist, religious fundamentalist far right parties it’s just a sterile exercise, often practiced (can’t rightly say if that’s your will, too) to leave out of the discourse one of these two parties, to implicitly side with one of them. that’s all I have to say. have a good day
Have a good day.
I think we’ve demonstrated conclusively hamas’s lying at least about this.
Israel’s lying about many things as well, but that’s not what the articles about.
I welcome you to show me where my logic is incorrect any time in the future when you have the bandwidth.
let’s see if I’m going to regret this
https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2023-10-23/ty-article/.premium/two-elderly-israeli-women-released-from-hamas-captivity-after-17-days/0000018b-5e18-d307-adbb-7f387a240000
That’s great. I’m glad they released two hostages.
I can’t read the article, I don’t have an account on that site and I hit the paywall.
I’m genuinely happy to hostages were released.
https://archive.ph/ZJnM9 I was able to read the article. It looks like they dropped off the hostages at the Red Cross.
ok, long story short. two people were released, red cross helped. hamas got these points hit:
the narrative, all that matters is the narrative. hamas seem they started getting this concept…
so, did I show you why you and your deductions were wrong all the way? do you understand why hamas, Netanyahu govt and everyone else (you included?) is trying to push a narrative? do you understand now why it’s a terrible attitude?
justify either party, and one might get some blood on themself.
No, this proves I was right The entire time.
Okay let’s start over from the beginning
A. Hamas makes a statement, they want to release hostages no strings attached, Israel won’t let them ao they can’t.
B. Hamas is saying they have no ability to release hostages without Israeli assistance
C. The UN, and the Red Cross, operate inside of the Gaza strip
D. Hamas has access to the Egyptian border
Hamas statement is a lie, because point b contradicts point c and d.
Hamas statement is a lie because point a is contradicted by the contradiction and point b.
In war everybody lies, I fully acknowledge that, but here we have a statement that is self-contradictory in itself. Pointing out that this is a lie is not taking a side, it’s pointing out that this is a lie.
If people wanted to say the initial release of two US hostages, had some consideration for Hamas, and they were trying to hint that they wanted the same consideration again to release two Israeli hostages. Fine. But their statement would still be a lie, when they said they didn’t want anything to release these hostages for humanitarian reasons.
The fact that today, I guess yesterday now, they released hostages via the Red Cross is great. But it doesn’t change the fact they were lying earlier. They don’t need Israeli cooperation to release hostages as they’ve just demonstrated.