People often say to vote with your wallet, but really if you want meaningful change it has to be backed by legislation so you must vote with your vote.
I feel like a lot of people who say this don’t realize how difficult this actually is for many people who live in different circumstances to them.
If you, like many, live in some urban sprawl ass area, Amazon has become the “weird part/replacement/too unique for physical stores but costs 5 times the amount shipping it in from somewhere else” central.
It’s also often more convenient than some other options while being ethically just about on par.
Its like, I can buy this thing from the walmart family, the loblaws family or jeff bezos.
They all have their evil, and it rotates from time to time who is taking the cake.
Like it’s certainly a consideration, like I’ll sometimes pick a slower option just to not buy from amazon, but then its like… its from Bestbuy. How much better is Bestbuy to Amazon? or Newegg?
I mean, tbh the whole inauguration has certainly knocked Amazon down a few pegs for sure, so I guess this is sort of a pre that bias.
My point is, there is a shit ton of things any one person can be doing, and different things are more or less important to different people, so do what you can, and don’t expect perfection of yourself, because there will be things you do (if you’re a person that tries) that the person barking at you for not being perfect in some other aspect will be doing and won’t even be aware of what else you do.
I sometimes think about how we got here. How now this has become some people’s only option. Amazon banked on people relying on them and scooped up market share, and destroyed small businesses so they became the only option. People don’t even look for alternatives or discover businesses around them anymore. I had to help a few friends understand this. I had a friend buying toilet paper from Amazon, that’s literally sold everywhere.
When I say don’t use Amazon, it’s not to shame the people who can’t, it’s to have them think of an alternative, train out their reliance. Don’t continue to give Amazon that reliance.
There are not many times you need that specific obscure part, most of the time it’s things that will have alternative sources. So it’s about taking a moment to just consider.
Target Jeff Bezos because he is literally top of the list of billionaires, he does not need the money. You can use this as a measurement. Newegg is a better option. A small electronics store that delivers in your country if their brick and mortar store is not near you, even better.
And like you pointed out, perfection is the enemy of progress.
This combined with just considering if you actually need something or just want junk advertised to you. It’s a way to break from frivolous consumption as well, which Amazon also relies on. Also consider that you don’t need things this fast. I feel like Amazon broke our perception. We used to not get things delivered for up to 2 weeks and that was fine. But somehow it’s unacceptable if it’s not there the next day. Most things you buy are not emergencies. Waiting does not waste your time, your life goes on while you wait.
I remember watching an old Tim Allen stand-up set, he was talking about ordering a bench grinder from the Sears catalog. “Six to eight weeks later” it arrived.
Also their profit margins on their consumer store are razor thin. So it’s not like ordering a toilet seat is making bezos rich. It’s AWS where they make their money. And some estimates have that as like 70 percent of the Internet. You can’t really boycott that.
Using Amazon , I’d love to stop using Amazon but unfortunately amazon has killed all competing stores in my area so if I want a product that’s more specialized than s*** you would find at an old timey General Store I’m out of luck
I use a tts that does that by itself and you know what I meant so I don’t fucking care. This one I hand typed. Don’t fucking bother me about how I do or do not 𝓕𝓾𝓬𝓴𝓲𝓷𝓰 swear thanks.
It also doesn’t have to be all or nothing. Even if there is some specific issue that keeps you bound to Amazon, seeking out alternatives the rest of the time is still an improvement.
I know someone who has extreme difficulty taking pills and who frequently needs pain relievers to function. The only thing they have ever found that works for them is the Walmart brand Tylenol (aka tiny lol). They don’t buy anything else from Walmart on principle, but thos pills are a necessity.
That said, in my experience at least, while Amazon’s shopping experience has gotten significantly worse over time, smaller local and regional businesses have been making things much better over the last few years. It’s easier to find what I need on the website of my local hardware store than Amazon, with prices that are as good or better on most things, and without the glut of trash items clogging my search. I can even get 2 hour delivery if I need it. I can’t get a fucking pizza delivered to me but I can have a socket wrench and a change of underwear here at a moment’s notice.
I can’t say that there is a better option available to everyone for anything they need. But I would bet that there are good alternatives available the vast majority of the time.
I needed 7/16" ink ribbon for my antique Burroughs adding machine. Bought it on eBay. Order was fulfilled by Ribbons Unlimited, a small business that just sells ink ribbons for typewriters. Took a week to get it, but I wasn’t in that much of a hurry.
I was buying some rolling papers. They were $10 on Amazon. I decided to check eBay, they had the same exact pack but it was $15. Decided to go with the eBay purchase to avoid Amazon. 2 days later I get an Amazon delivery. It’s my rolling papers, shipped straight from Amazon with a $5 dollar markup going straight to the eBay seller. So not only did bezos still get his cut but i paid an extra $5 for the privilege.
That happens from time to time. Hell, I’ve even had that happen two weeks ago with Newegg for a rare cable I needed.
Still though, on the whole, you can get in touch with some real brick and mortar style sellers, and often times it’s cheaper. I saved like $20 on a pack of water filters for my fridge recently.
The only two choices where I live are Amazon or Target. I despise Amazon, but I despise Target more because of their betrayal to the LGBTQ+ community. So, while I’m not happy about it, I choose the lesser of two evils (to me) and use Amazon.
Well returns have gone to shit on Amazon. Now they charge you most of the time.
Delivery date not so much now they are charging for faster delivery on some items.
Shoes. 3d printer filament. A laptop. Occasionally some shelf storage food. A thermal camera. Soldering iron and solder. Cast iron skillet. Pretty much everything that i would like to buy that isnt carried by my local grocery store and is also the only non gas station within 45 minutes of me. Thats assuming the weather is nice and i can actually drive my car the 45 minutes through the half that is pretty decent for roads, and the other half that will blow my tires and bottom out my car if i so much and blink or have a little bit of fog. Rain basically means i update my will before i go for a drive. The other 45 minutes back in fun too.
While I agree that people should not use Amazon, there’s a lot of places that it is one of the only options people have to get these types of products because of companies like Amazon, Walmart, target and all the other big retailers that have gone and completely destroyed small and local businesses in alot of communities. Some don’t even have a Walmart or Target anymore purely because they came and destroyed everything realized they couldn’t make enough money so they shut em down.
Stop using amazon
People often say to vote with your wallet, but really if you want meaningful change it has to be backed by legislation so you must vote with your vote.
I feel like a lot of people who say this don’t realize how difficult this actually is for many people who live in different circumstances to them.
If you, like many, live in some urban sprawl ass area, Amazon has become the “weird part/replacement/too unique for physical stores but costs 5 times the amount shipping it in from somewhere else” central.
It’s also often more convenient than some other options while being ethically just about on par.
Its like, I can buy this thing from the walmart family, the loblaws family or jeff bezos.
They all have their evil, and it rotates from time to time who is taking the cake.
Like it’s certainly a consideration, like I’ll sometimes pick a slower option just to not buy from amazon, but then its like… its from Bestbuy. How much better is Bestbuy to Amazon? or Newegg?
I mean, tbh the whole inauguration has certainly knocked Amazon down a few pegs for sure, so I guess this is sort of a pre that bias.
My point is, there is a shit ton of things any one person can be doing, and different things are more or less important to different people, so do what you can, and don’t expect perfection of yourself, because there will be things you do (if you’re a person that tries) that the person barking at you for not being perfect in some other aspect will be doing and won’t even be aware of what else you do.
I sometimes think about how we got here. How now this has become some people’s only option. Amazon banked on people relying on them and scooped up market share, and destroyed small businesses so they became the only option. People don’t even look for alternatives or discover businesses around them anymore. I had to help a few friends understand this. I had a friend buying toilet paper from Amazon, that’s literally sold everywhere.
When I say don’t use Amazon, it’s not to shame the people who can’t, it’s to have them think of an alternative, train out their reliance. Don’t continue to give Amazon that reliance.
There are not many times you need that specific obscure part, most of the time it’s things that will have alternative sources. So it’s about taking a moment to just consider.
Target Jeff Bezos because he is literally top of the list of billionaires, he does not need the money. You can use this as a measurement. Newegg is a better option. A small electronics store that delivers in your country if their brick and mortar store is not near you, even better.
And like you pointed out, perfection is the enemy of progress.
This combined with just considering if you actually need something or just want junk advertised to you. It’s a way to break from frivolous consumption as well, which Amazon also relies on. Also consider that you don’t need things this fast. I feel like Amazon broke our perception. We used to not get things delivered for up to 2 weeks and that was fine. But somehow it’s unacceptable if it’s not there the next day. Most things you buy are not emergencies. Waiting does not waste your time, your life goes on while you wait.
Amazon is shit now you can find stuff cheaper only “problem” is you don’t get it in "two* days.
I remember watching an old Tim Allen stand-up set, he was talking about ordering a bench grinder from the Sears catalog. “Six to eight weeks later” it arrived.
Also their profit margins on their consumer store are razor thin. So it’s not like ordering a toilet seat is making bezos rich. It’s AWS where they make their money. And some estimates have that as like 70 percent of the Internet. You can’t really boycott that.
Using Amazon , I’d love to stop using Amazon but unfortunately amazon has killed all competing stores in my area so if I want a product that’s more specialized than s*** you would find at an old timey General Store I’m out of luck
FYI: You are allowed to say “shit” on the Internet.
I’m much in the same boat and “stop using Amazon” is a breathtakingly privileged take that really pisses me off.
I use a tts that does that by itself and you know what I meant so I don’t fucking care. This one I hand typed. Don’t fucking bother me about how I do or do not 𝓕𝓾𝓬𝓴𝓲𝓷𝓰 swear thanks.
It also doesn’t have to be all or nothing. Even if there is some specific issue that keeps you bound to Amazon, seeking out alternatives the rest of the time is still an improvement.
I know someone who has extreme difficulty taking pills and who frequently needs pain relievers to function. The only thing they have ever found that works for them is the Walmart brand Tylenol (aka tiny lol). They don’t buy anything else from Walmart on principle, but thos pills are a necessity.
That said, in my experience at least, while Amazon’s shopping experience has gotten significantly worse over time, smaller local and regional businesses have been making things much better over the last few years. It’s easier to find what I need on the website of my local hardware store than Amazon, with prices that are as good or better on most things, and without the glut of trash items clogging my search. I can even get 2 hour delivery if I need it. I can’t get a fucking pizza delivered to me but I can have a socket wrench and a change of underwear here at a moment’s notice.
I can’t say that there is a better option available to everyone for anything they need. But I would bet that there are good alternatives available the vast majority of the time.
Perfection is the enemy of progress. Make a different choice where you can. It’s all good.
Use eBay.
I needed 7/16" ink ribbon for my antique Burroughs adding machine. Bought it on eBay. Order was fulfilled by Ribbons Unlimited, a small business that just sells ink ribbons for typewriters. Took a week to get it, but I wasn’t in that much of a hurry.
I was buying some rolling papers. They were $10 on Amazon. I decided to check eBay, they had the same exact pack but it was $15. Decided to go with the eBay purchase to avoid Amazon. 2 days later I get an Amazon delivery. It’s my rolling papers, shipped straight from Amazon with a $5 dollar markup going straight to the eBay seller. So not only did bezos still get his cut but i paid an extra $5 for the privilege.
Same thing applies to lots of stuff on Amazon. They are just things off of AliExpress marked up a lot.
That happens from time to time. Hell, I’ve even had that happen two weeks ago with Newegg for a rare cable I needed.
Still though, on the whole, you can get in touch with some real brick and mortar style sellers, and often times it’s cheaper. I saved like $20 on a pack of water filters for my fridge recently.
eBay abuses sellers, too.
Did Bob Loblaws update his law blog?
It’s a Canadian national super market chain/brand that owns a ton of supermarkets here.
I understand and agree to some extent. Still good to say it tho, doesn’t really sound like barking.
The only two choices where I live are Amazon or Target. I despise Amazon, but I despise Target more because of their betrayal to the LGBTQ+ community. So, while I’m not happy about it, I choose the lesser of two evils (to me) and use Amazon.
So you can’t purchase stuff from Walmart, Costco or any online store just Amazon?
Of course. Just give me an alternative that
Well returns have gone to shit on Amazon. Now they charge you most of the time. Delivery date not so much now they are charging for faster delivery on some items.
What are people ordering so much of from amazon? I apparently haven’t ordered from them since late 2024, and those were a handful of small orders.
Shoes. 3d printer filament. A laptop. Occasionally some shelf storage food. A thermal camera. Soldering iron and solder. Cast iron skillet. Pretty much everything that i would like to buy that isnt carried by my local grocery store and is also the only non gas station within 45 minutes of me. Thats assuming the weather is nice and i can actually drive my car the 45 minutes through the half that is pretty decent for roads, and the other half that will blow my tires and bottom out my car if i so much and blink or have a little bit of fog. Rain basically means i update my will before i go for a drive. The other 45 minutes back in fun too.
Stop living somewhere with choices!!
While I agree that people should not use Amazon, there’s a lot of places that it is one of the only options people have to get these types of products because of companies like Amazon, Walmart, target and all the other big retailers that have gone and completely destroyed small and local businesses in alot of communities. Some don’t even have a Walmart or Target anymore purely because they came and destroyed everything realized they couldn’t make enough money so they shut em down.
Yes but if you can buy off Amazon an online store you can buy from another online store. So saying it’s the only choice is false.