cross-posted from: https://lemmy.zip/post/50351339
The ‘yankification’ of British politics continues with Turning Point drawing attention to whatever the hell these people are supposed to be
Looks like a militant terrorist organisation to me, should be arresting them
It’s only a militant terrorist organization if it contains leftists or minorities, otherwise it’s just sparkling free speech /s
In context of the times, Jesus was very left. Surprised they didn’t kill the guy.
But they uh… ah…
Shh, no spoilers. He obviously hasn’t gotten to that part yet.
They don’t support Palestine so it’s ok. Duh.
What? No they’re right wing, so those weapons and drills and marching are festive.
It looks like that but they seem to be basically just modern Salvation Army copycats, especially from looking at their website
I think we’re better focusing on reform UK and the racist marches than a bunch of hyperactive holiness Christians
Turning Point is a youth propaganda machine fuelled by pseudoreligious arseholes. These people demonstrably only care about themselves and how much money they can make. It’s spread to the UK is deeply concerning.
I cannot find evidence that this group has anything to do with turning point except for being featured on their Twitter once.
When you start looking at the “leadership” they are all either non-existent online or tied to a number of dodgy evangelical churches, there’s no obvious detail of who is funding any of them, it looks like Noone has previously researched it in detail. But the few tied to that McNamara guy looks like authoritarian nutjob dog whistles.
Having a look into them now. It’s interesting how one of the images shows the Ulster Banner for Northern Ireland despite it being part of the UK and NcNamara being from Northern Ireland and having a Union Jack.
Interestingly on his Instagram, there is a post promoting a Roman Catholic Church which is uncommon for Northern Irish protestants to do.
He does follow TPUK and that’s it and kind of scraping the bottom of the barrel.
I will say though, groups like TPUK could potentially be trying to groom groups like these. Although they have a commitment on their website to be apolitical so I don’t think it’s much
You cannot find other people online simply because this seems like a small group. Possibly a bit of larp in there, but I think the Canary is literally just building them up to seem like murderous extremists for clicks/fearmongering. I don’t find the canary to be a reliable news source anyway.
British Black Shirts? … are they just repeating history and patterns at this point?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Union_of_Fascists
Ah, you made the dog whistle connection. That wasn’t supposed to happen, you weren’t supposed to notice that, it was only for them.
it’s almost like they’re trying to make a bad impression
Religion is a cancer on society
Yeah I swear every time religion appears innocuous it’s actually just incubating its next wave of evil. At some point people need to say enough is enough. No more being tolerant of religion or polite about it. They should be treated with the same two-faced smiling disgust they treat us with.
It combines the normalization of magical thinking with the belief in an absolute moral authority. So you get people that aren’t concerned with provable reality and are sure they’re doing the right thing.
Hey now. No. We should love them.
The same way they love us. I’ll get the pliers.
Not sure we can win this war. The USA, Britain, Russia, Hungary, Israel, Possibly China and Germany AGAIN, vs the rest of the world. If this happens, the human race is finished!
I just want to live on the bottom of the ocean right now, I want out of this shitty “civilization”, have not experienced much good from it.
I feel this too. I don’t know where to go or why anyone would turn to fascism ever
You think these idiots are going to turn into some kind of international fascist union? Most of them ran on the platform of “fuck literally everyone else, we hate those guys”
Everyone already hates the USA after 9 months of fascist leadership. The USA and EU are in an active proxy war with Russia and China is helping on the Russian side. Israel is burning through all of the support they have acquired over the last decades. Brexit was almost a decade ago now.
We’re spending so much time fearing fascists we’re forgetting why we actually fear them: they’re adversarial, they suck ass at governing, and they fuck up constantly. Relations have never been worse between these countries since this right wing tide, and though there’s a lot of financial support for these parties, their international political unity extends as far as before they have a small disagreement.
Brexit isn‘t really relevant to the UK. ATM Reform, the most far-right party, is polling very well. As in „would become the ruling party if an election were called today“ well. They‘re also starting to get defectors from the hertofore bigger right-wing party (whose leader literally just said at the party conference that the UK should have it‘s own ICE squads doing what the US one is).
Some of the fearmongering is overwrought - especially the characterisation of Labour as being equivalent because they are acting in some utterly reprehesible ways in a stupid and doomed effort to court Reform voters - but it‘s a threat that should be taken seriously.
The good news is that the next election is 4 years away. If Trump fails in that time, or if the US gets so unahamdedly fascist that even the most denialist person can‘t deny it and it seriously harms the US on the international stage, then perhaps the British right-wing politicians will fall out of love with trying to ape Trump and the punters will see the warning signs and quietly shift back leftwards (or will crawl back in their holes in an atmosphere of „actually it isn‘t okay to say that out loud“).
I think also we‘ll need the Your party to definitively collapse so as not to split the vote on the left and for Starmer himself to resign and someone like Andy Burnham to take over (although he‘s just flubbed that one) in order to make Labour electable again.
Or there‘s the other option of Labour actually introducing something like proportional representation before the next election and thereby limiting the power of a party like Reform.
Point is, there are ways out of this mess, and there‘s time for it to happen. And we‘re definitely not where the US is, and the idea of a NeoNazi coalition seems far-fetched even under a potential Farage leadership. But at the same time, there is definitely cause for serious concern here in the UK, because there are definitely those in power or near power who would very much like to be where Trump is now.
I mean the us is pretty facist at this point. We have unmarked paramilitary police. The dudes with flak jackest, ar15 type rifles, and bandanas over their faces that is like the hallmark of every effed up place on earth for decades. They are regularly breaking two of the more key bill of rights, due process and involuntary search and seizure, with no repercussions and that is besides the straight out murders the have committed. People are being carted off to foreign gulags. They are bragging about facilities being built to be cruel and unusual (yet another bill of rights violation). And military from some states are invading other states. I mean the facist has not consolidated power completely but man.
Yes, i was explaining why the same isn’t true in the UK, but that that also doesn’t mean that we can just sit back and relax like it isn’t a possibility down the road
The USA and one of China/Russia alone could destroy the world. The USA already ravaged Latin and South America, and the Middle East; and the combined military-industry power of either pair would easily be able to occupy most other nations simultaneously. Britain, Hungary, Israel and Germany are just along for the ride. Those four are as meaningless in the international scene as every other nation that may stand against the Fascists. USA/China/Russia are the three powerhouses.
This is Russia and China’s cold war, won. They convinced the United States to join them in international terrorism, and no one ever came close to the power of that trifecta. The United Nations has no army. The European Union’s Defense Forces is the closest thing the free world has to a resistance. I’m typing this but only partially registering how fucked we are. The USA, for all it’s horrible acts, had the “defender of democracy” title for a reason – because the Free World depended on the perception that the USA would go to war to stop China and Russia attempting world domination. As faith in the USA drops, and these fascist alliances grow, I see no reason to believe there’s ever going to be a comeback. If anything, I foresee more nations embracing the USA-China-Russia team to preserve some of their existence – not that it’s excusable.
We had the internet. We had free travel. We were making strides in medicine and technology. And How did we lose? Because corporations run the USA, and the USA ran the Free World. Corpos would kill 7 billion people if they had reason to believe the reward of profit outweighed the risk of financial hardship. Fascism is the natural evolution of a corporate state.
USAmerica wanted a President that ran the country like a business; and we got what we asked for. Promises made; Promises kept.
Ahem, Russia was also supposed to win in 3 days, failed unexpectedly, and now Ukraine is sort of a superpower. EU is on the rise in arms, industry, and will. Maybe if we help Ukraine win, we can just Gangbang USA?
What a cancerous organization… crazy that it is going global.
Can they just skip to the step where they start eating each other and leave the rest of us alone?
Nope. You’re gonna have to kill em.
Didn’t TPUK push Hitler did nothing wrong? Yaaaaaa. I remember Klandyce making that comment with Charlie on stage with her.
that’s because of the organizing led by TPAction, which is the fascist political arm of Turning Point USA, which itself can’t be political since it is a non-profit. this is somehow legal in our current system lol. you can just branch off an affiliate org and retain control and that can be political because it’s different! it’s separate! TPUSA is going to spread wherever it is allowed because they are navigating on the fine line of legality and they exploit that shit.
Do you have a source on that? I’d like to be proven wrong
a source on what, exactly? not being flippant, i assure you. TPAction is a registered organization with TPUSA, and the way our laws work forces TPUSA to remain “non-political,” so in order to maintain the image of being non-political they spun off a political arm named Turning Point Action. you can look it up, basically. it’s the only way TPUSA can act politically, so any time you are seeing TPUSA organize and move it’s through their “TPAction” group. does that make sense?
What has this got to do with King’s Army?
…? if King’s Army is being supported by TPUSA then it’s through TurningPoint Action.
That claim is what I’m asking for sources on. What source do you have that says they are being supported by TPUSA? King’s Army’s website says they are non political.
….what the hell are you talking about lol. hello, this thread is your source? the post you’re responding to? the post that says TPUSA has a branch in the UK that supports King’s Army? i don’t understand what the hell is being questioned lol.
are you talking about financial funding? i don’t know if TPUSA is funneling money to King’s Army, but that wouldn’t surprise me. TPUSA is supporting them regardless of it being financial or political.
why is it relevant? Hitler supported animal rights, yet I’m not out here calling vegan activists nazis (even the radical ones)
King Charles: lick my boots, you peasants
These guys ‘thats our favorite thing to do!’
It’s bad enough dealing with this hyper hatred in the US. When hate groups spread to other countries, it should be labeled as an international terrorist group.
Can we ban turning point UK and all other American social media platforms for that matter.
Although what they did in soho does seem pretty based, but yanks out
Just looked into king’s army, they’re not blackshirts at all. Still wary about their affiliations with TPUSA, though
Seems like this article is biased and doesn’t even know what it’s talking about. Isn’t this basically a new take on the Salvation Army? Not my cup of tea, really, but this article is quite conspiratorial
Digging deeper, “the canary” is just taking stuff out of context.
King’s Army soldiers believe we are at war with sin and the devil. We see life like a battlefield that is split down the middle, with two opposing armies on each side.
On one half of the battlefield (life/light) (Col 1:12) are The King’s soldiers (Christians). (2 Tim 2:3)
On the other half of the battlefield (death/darkness) (Col 1:13), are Satans soldiers (Demons)
Behind enemy lines, trapped in trenches, deep in darkness, and sinking in swamps of sin, are the casualties of war. They are the dead (spiritually), or dying lost souls. (1 Pet 2:9)
These are children of The King (2 Cor 6:18) who were deceived, and drawn away by their own selfish desires (James1:14).
They are devoid of escape from the snares of the devil, having being captured by him to do his will. (2 Tim 2:26)
Hidden here are legions of sons and daughters blinded to the truth. (2 Cor 4:4)
Their hearts have been poisoned by a terminal virus called sin, for which there is no earthly cure. (Jer 17:9)
There is however, a heavenly antidote. This antidote is hidden in the form of a bullet, a salvation bullet, containing one drop of God’s Holy blood.
When fired from the weapon of the Gospel (2 Cor 6:7), the bullet finds its target (black heart) and there the salvation serum is released. It swims into the blood stream, reversing the terminal death process and bringing life everlasting. (1 Pet 2:9).
We believe the mission given from the King to all of his soldiers, is to take back that which was stolen! (Matt 28:19) (Col 1:13)
There is NOTHING here promoting actual violence. Still a bit weird, but the canary is also promoting the fearmongering conspiracy theories which also caused someone to murder Charlie Kirk in the first place
Context: Flax likes the idea of blackshirts because he agrees with them, so he pretends all that deliberately violent imagery that literally demonizes their “opponents” is nothing to worry about and definitely not bog standard cryptofash shit.
You know, if this was a Muslim group, this would be front page news and a moral panic, and there would be debates on if we should ban this group.
UK moment. If this was a Muslim group, they would have been hauled off for “terrorism” well before the story hit the press.
It’s very interesting how quickly narratives can be built. I’ve been exposed to TPUSA talking points for a full decade now and it’s completely obvious Charlie Kirk was not seeking any kind of truth sincerely.
That is the difference between rhetoric and philosophy. He only wanted to win.
Now we all just have to pretend like Kirk wasn’t peddling ideologies that dearly want to silence those who disagree with them. Free speech evangelist my ass.
