cross-posted from: https://lemmy.nz/post/28693796

Check the comments of the original post for the stupidity.

For those of you without an electrical background, the diagram shows the protective earth connected directly to phase, with phase and neutral also joined.

Correctly wired, this would be a three pin plug, with the earth wire connected to the earth pin in the plug, with the other end connected to the metal casing of the appliance. This is a critical safety feature, which will cause the circuit protection to trip in the event a phase wire contacts the metal of whatever this is connected to.

If this was actually done, the most likely outcome is it would trip a circuit breaker, but if the neutral was broken, it would connect phase directly to the casing, and likely electrocute someone.

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    It is long overdue that those companies can be held legally responsible for what their AI produces.

    If i had drawn up and published such an image, I probably could be drawn in court. Time for AI companies to fall under the same rule.

    There have been cases of people poisoned, people looking for psychological help getting recommended to commit suicide, etc.

    Time to drag those companies in court.

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    The day will come when Fuck AI and Confidently Inncorect will have no choice, but to merge into one community.

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      And then a new literally Fuck AI community will emerge! Or just not, hopefully.

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    If this was actually done, the most likely outcome is it would trip a circuit breaker

    Or explode the plug in someone’s hand, depending on the circuit breaker and the wire gauge

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      On a domestic plug the chances of injury are low, but not zero. It would definitely damage both the plug and socket, possibly burn your hand, and definitely be an exciting moment.

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        I’ve had a cheapo electric kettle plug explode in my hand due to melted contacts in the base touching each other (I’m not sure why the plug exploded and not the base, probably a shitty connection in the plug). I didn’t get injured but it was indeed quite exciting.

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          I had a cheapo Chinese charger explode in the socket. It was indeed quite exciting.

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        Huh, yeah, you are right. I’m not from the US so it didn’t immediately jump out at me

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    everything about this is wrong. the most fundamental part is the fact that you don’t wire north american plugs. Wiring your own plugs is a british thing, hence why the case is shaped like the british plug.

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      In fact it was compulsory in Britain until the 1980s/90s. I’m not sure exactly when it changed, but the reason was due to different electricity companies having different sockets (and therefore plugs). It was standardised way before then, but I guess if that’s the way it has always been done nobody thinks of changing it.

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        My oldest (15) was just taught how to wire a plug at her high school. We’re in the UK. I don’t think I was (90s), but my dad will had shown me and I don’t remember not knowing.

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      you don’t wire north american plugs

      I don’t? Please, do go on. I am interested to know how all my appliances apparently work by magic.

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        Well, yes, someone wires the plugs at the appliance cord factory, but unless you work in appliance cord manufacturing it’s typically not the appliance user. And yes, there are exceptions, such as installing some heavy appliances or replacing damaged plugs, but that shouldn’t be typical for “all” of someone’s appliances.

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        North american plugs are not serviceable like british ones. The contacts are molded in plastic at the factory.

        Opening a plug to service the wires is not possible. They don’t open, nor do the plugs have fuses.

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    I’ve wired plugs with like 12 and a large part of our house with 14 or so. Ofc, with my dad and depending on the circumstances a qualified electrician checking, but no matter how wild it got, I never made a mistake

    How are there people needing help to simply wire a plug? The hardest part is to open that damn thing!

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      Ofc, with my dad and depending on the circumstances a qualified electrician checking, but no matter how wild it got, I never made a mistake

      This is you saying you got help wiring a plug.

      What if people don’t have their dad or a qualified electrician to check? They need help from somewhere. AI is a stupid place to look for it, but people need help doing things they never have before. Would you prefer they guess?

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        I never had a simple plug or socket checked after my first five or so. For larger networks, I just shared the plan I made in my head. And the qualified electrician was there once, for the HV lines, as legally required.

        Also, not guess, but know. It’s very easy, especially plugs and sockets. Switches I can see someone pulling up the manufacturers docs to check which contacts are interconnected.

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          Yes, after your first five, but before that you needed help. If this is someone’s first what are they do to? How are they supposed to know without getting some sort of help?

          "It’s easy, just do like my dad showed me!* isn’t helpful if they don’t know your dad.

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            My dad did not help me. Plugging in three strands where they obviously belong is not something someone needs help with. Again, he checked the end result. As in, one glance at the result the first time and plugging the plug into the socket in the first few times, because at age 12 an electric shock is much more problematic than at age 36.

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      Someone replied to me saying this picture of a plug is a dead circuit, because nothing is connected to anything, they genuinely don’t seem to understand what a plug is.

      They walk among us.

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    Actually it wouldn’t do anything because you would not even be able to plug it in since the prongs are facing the wrong way and therefore would not fit into the socket.

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    It also looks like plug neutral is connected to plug live too? So its one single node to ground on the plug side?

    are we sure the prompt was not “how to create a plug in north America for maximum damage?” 😄

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      Nah, maximum damage would be phase to earth alone, at least in terms of human safety.

      This is a great way to wreck a socket though.

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        It’s a plug, not an outlet

        Current source is from the prongs.

        It’s just so bad it trips you up. Also, in North America it’s fairly rare to wire a plug; much more common to wire up an outlet. In EU, didn’t many appliances ship without a wire and you were expected to install your own? Is that still a thing?

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    Yeah… I tried to ask it in Danish, and this is what it came up with…

    I’ve assembled a few plugs myself… And this certain isn’t quite how I did it…

    EDIT: This was actually Gemini 2.5 Pro… But it’s not very “pro”

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          Image being confidently incorrect in the comments of a confidently incorrect post.

          Under normal circuit conditions, the only voltage present on Neutral would be whatever voltage loss is occurring between the load and the tie in point between neutral and earth.

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            Different circumstances are different. Neturals are current carrying conductors. Neutrals are also grounded (as in bonded to ground at the main panel). In the case of someone wiring a recepticle or making joints in a junction box without turning off the circuit, one side of the neutral will almost certainly become disconnected from its return path in that process. When doing electrical work you absolutely do not consider the N wire safe for this reason.

            Sure, if you touch the N lug in a hot panel or the N side of a receptacle while everything’s properly wired you won’t get shocked, but nobody has any reason to touch the N conductor if you aren’t working working on the circuit/box/panel. I’ll admit my use of “generally” above isnt exactly appropriate when you consider that a home doesnt “generally” have someone working on the wiring. Similarly my “incorrect” at the comment above me is less than 100% accurate, but I maintain that in the case of actual electrical work being done (the only time this conversation matters) you can never consider N to be safe.

            All circuits are hot. All guns are loaded. All knives are sharp.

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    This device is useful for exercise. You will need to walk to the panel to flip the fuse every time you use it.

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    There’s no live wire in this diagram. There is a section of black wire that is labeled “live”, but it’s just connecting the ground wire to the top prong with no voltage applied. The unlabeled white wire shorts them together. If the white wire was cut, then the top prong would be ground.

    This is just a fancy way to short neutral and ground.

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      It’s a plug, not an outlet. I made the same mistake because it’s such an astonishingly bad diagram.

      Hot phase comes in from the prong, travels to the screw via black wire, then directly into ground.

      Of course, it’s a moot point because you cannot plug this into a North American outlet, the prongs are in the wrong position.

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    No you won’t… The “live” wire is just shorting neutral to ground. You’d need a second, far worse, problem for this to do anything

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        No? You said it would trip the circuit breaker

        I mean in spirit, we agree this is a nonsense wiring diagram for sure, but my interpretation is that we disagree on the details

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          I mean, you said you’d need a second fault on the system to get shocked, and I described that fault in the description, and said this would need to happen in order to electrocute someone.

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            Rereading your post a third time, that is not my take away

            But the very well might have been your intention. Language is delicate like that sometimes…I don’t know what you meant, but if you tell me that’s what you meant by those words, I believe you

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    If it would be done exactly like in the picture nothing would happen, as the only wire going in is the ground wire.

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      In case you had the same brainfart as me, it’s a plug, not an outlet, so there could be no wires coming out of it and you could still short-circuit the outlet you plug it into…

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        I just looked at the picture and the only line that goes to the plug is the grounding wire.

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          Your comment is nearly identical to one made by someone in the linked post, and I’m pretty sure you’re trolling at this point.

          I won’t be engaging any further with you.

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        It’s a plug, not a socket. By inserting the two shorted pins (white wire) into any socket, you would essentially short the live and neutral connectors of the socket.

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          Oooh, yeah. Makes sense. Sorry, I had a brain fart. Of course it would short the outlet. Would definitely trip a breaker. Was thinking of an outlet for some reason.

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          Correct, so you’d trip a breaker. You wouldn’t however electrocute yourself.

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            If this was actually done, the most likely outcome is it would trip a circuit breaker, but if the neutral was broken, it would connect phase directly to the casing, and likely electrocute someone.

            If the neutral wire is faulty, the live wire is still connected to the ground wire and subsequently to the casing of the device. Thus, if somebody would touch the casing, the current (maximum what the breaker permits without opening) would flow through that person.