The title says it all, I was very gun ho for Ukraine but I am now more jaded and think both sides are bad and that Ukraine needs to just give up territory and end the war.

I also learned how this is a proxy war and Ukraine has made itself a willing pawn of the American empire, I am sorry you don’t get to join the imperial core and except sympathy.

Now that the genocide in Palestine is happening I don’t know how anyone has the will to care about what is happening in Ukraine, Ukraine also supports this genocide so that deprives them of any right to sympathy to any not racist human.

I think White people liked getting to play victim for once and good for you but play time is over

  • Jessica@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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    I stand with Ukraine. Why should they give up their sovereign land to an invader? I’d say the say damn thing if it was the US as the aggressor.

    Russia invaded Ukraine, unprovoked, and you call for Ukraine to give up its land? That’s absurd.

    It is absolutely possible to care about more than one thing at a time.

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      True and say what you want about American wars, they don’t take territory for themselves. Russia on the other hand

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      Why should any state inherently exist? I’ll say it about the US and ill say it about Russia. No state deserves to exist, the second their military is no longer strong enough to enforce their rule they dissapear.

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        So when a sovereign nation can no longer defend itself from a more powerful one, they should cede their lands and resources? That’s ridiculous.

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          The west has used that logic for decades to justify brutal military occupations. I say that land and resource belong to no state, any claim of ownership is inherent violence.

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            No, rich people have used that as justification. Poor people don’t invade countries. Poor people flee from persecution. Beyond race, gender, or religion, it’s always the perceived wealthy that cause all of the problems. Everyone else is responding to their policies and laws.

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          Im not militarily occupying a land, stripping the natural resources, and extracting labor value from a people while justifying under it the pretext of a national identity and state wealth. They talk of national unity yet their capitalists exploit the workers all the same.

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      It was not unprovoked, Ukraine attempted to join the imperial core and we saw what they are doing in Palestine Russia could not allow the imperial core to grow stronger, they are fighting for the colonized world

      Ukraine is using that land to help America

      Russia is using it to help colonized peoples

      I know who I support having it

      • Jessica@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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        Yeah miss me with that shit. The Ukrainians deserve the right to not be invaded by any other nation. Fuck off with that imperial bullshit. They certainly had their own internal struggles. But that does not give the Russians any sort of mandate to invade, bomb and maim them. Fuck that. Russia is no better than the west. East vs west is about as stupid as it gets.

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          do you not know lennin ?

          Russia can not be imperialist as they do not have monopoly capital sufficient to meet that stage of capitalism.

          No it’s not stupid the east is clearly better then the west Russia is anti imperialist Ukraine is pro Imperialist