The Israel Defense Forces releases surveillance camera footage from Shifa Hospital showing Hamas terrorists bringing a Nepali and Thai citizen who were abducted from Israel on October 7 to the medical center. L

  • teichflamme@lemm.ee
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    1 year ago

    They have literally no chance to win while causing great suffering on everyone around them.

    I don’t know how a sane person could advocate for HAMAS to continue their terrorist actions.

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      1 year ago

      Alas Lemmy is a shitshow in this regard. Not sure if Reddit is the same but the vibe here makes me barf

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        Nobody is supporting Hamas. They’re saying that there’s no justification for the genocide that Israel is engaging in.

        It doesn’t matter what either side has done when the response is to murder children. It’s all unjustifiable.

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          well if an ant bite kills your mom and you go and poison bomb the whole colony, then the surviving ants come bite and kill your dad. are you gonna just let the ants keep killing your family or are you gonna poison bomb the whole colony again

          this is just an analogy (works for the nukes in japan too) at this point both sides are shitty and idek how to have a take about it anymore.

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            Yes let’s reduce this conflict to ant extermination, can’t see any problem with that analogy…

          • itslilith@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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            as far as analogies go, comparing Palestinians to ants to be exterminated is a bit too on the nose, don’t you think?

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              then lets convert it to people then instead of ants

              or is that hitting too close to home

    • Doorbook@lemmy.world
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      Put yourself in Hamas miltant shoe. Mostly now had lost family members, living since born in a prison, you cannot go to sea, or cross to Egypt or even other part of the country.

      What do you think Winning means for them ?

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        I guess for me it would mean to have at least some of my family members survive instead of dying pointlessly

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          They’re going to die pointlessly regardless of what they do. While I disagree with what they’re doing. I can’t exactly fault them for feeling powerless and lashing out. When people have nothing to lose. They don’t care how much anyone else loses either. And the Israeli government has the largest part of the blame on this. They helped Hamas come to power and use them extensively to justify their genocide. They don’t want Hamas to stop.

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            I think we should totally fault them for committing acts of terrorism. It does nothing to advance their cause.

            While the Israeli government has fucked up, too, they are the one of the two parties that historically at least tried to negotiate a compromise.

            I don’t believe for a second that they want the terror to continue, they’re not comic book villains. You’re selling your opinion as facts.

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              Netanyahu’s own cabinet has literally said on video that Hamas is an asset to them. Those are the facts. Netanyahu and his ministers have also done a lot to help Hamas as well. Mind you, I’m not defending Hamas. Fuck hamas. Palestine is not Hamas however. Most the people living in Gaza never voted for Hamas. And don’t support Hamas. And would love to get rid of Hamas. But they don’t have the power to. The people that have the power to would rather come in and slaughter innocent citizens of Gaza under pretense of going after Hamas. Creating more Hamas and the process rather than actually getting rid of Hamas. These are the facts. Netanyahu’s government’s actions are indefensible.

              When the so-called rescue response has killed multiple times more than the initial terror attack. It is a terror attack in its own right.

    • Thief_of_Crows@sh.itjust.works
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      It is certainly better to kill Israeli soldiers than it is to not kill them. Peace has been tried for over 30 years, but Israel has refused. It’s about time Palestine started fighting back. Genociders do not listen to anything short of warfare and terrorism.

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        Israel has refused? Israel is the one side that negotiated and offered multiple solutions to the conflict lmao

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            Dude what are you on about? Israel offered land.

            If you think what Hamas is doing now is the better course you’re just absolutely deluded