Also same in the Central Railway Station of Helsinki, Finland. Apparently an organic protest without a spokesperson. Protests require to be notified to the police beforehand here so this was a surprise
It is greatly worrying that the violence there is spilling over to our country.
The protestors are right and the government is wrong.
Not in our name. We want no part in crimes against civilians in this Israel-Hamas conflict.
Glad I passed on going into town today
be careful if you’re jewish or queer when you attend these!
Why?
Bigotry and hatred for both groups. LBGT people are oppressed in Palestine. In Gaza, same sex relationships are illegal and punishable by up to 10 years in prison.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_in_the_State_of_PalestineThese are Netherlanders, not Gazans
There’s been violence towards Jews and Queers during these rallies.
Dude’s a Zionist antisemitic fearmongerer.
Dude is acknowledging reality, where the underdogs aren’t always the good guys.
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Why don’t you take a guess? How many people really “just support terrorism”? The concept is bizarre.
I’ve run into a handful of people here on Lemmy who support Hamas and their actions.
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They have attacked pro palestinian supporters that say hamas are terrorist. So a lot of them seem to support terrorism.
I seriously have the impression that a huge amount of people can only see things in black and white
They seem to think if someone condemns Hamas they condemn Palestrina as a whole - or that if someone says the terrorism and taking hostages was bad they automatically support whatever Israel is doing since whatever it is it will be less cruel than what Hamas did.
Why does it seem so bewildering to do many people to see both sides as bad but also see that removing Hamas is a goal that’s worth fighting for as it’s the only road to peace for Palestine?
What are they protesting FOR - they are only against the current war (which is fine but very shortsighted) as far as I can tell.
They want them to stay under Hamas control? They don’t want a proposed united Palestine under control of the west bank government?
They want a Palestine “from the river to the sea” which means all Jews and Israel as a country is gone - but what happens if they won’t go peacefully? Would it be okay to attack civilians to drive them out of the country you claim is yours?
This whole thing is fucking complex - by picking a side like this it’s cutting too many corners and very shortsighted imho…
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They should go protest to whom is doing the thing, not to bystanders. Hamas and IDF are doing this so maybe they should contact them?
We don’t live in a direct democracy, we live in a representative one. Our representatives are supposed to, you know, represent us, in putting our government’s resources to action according to our intentions.
Hamas and IDF are doing this so maybe they should contact them?
I’m sure that Hamas will lay down it’s arms and the IDF will immediately retreat from Gaza after receiving an angry call from these people.
So it would be just as effective as these “protests”.
This protest might make it to the “achtuurjournaal” and increase political pressure to actually do something. It’s unlikely that it will, but the chances of it doing anything are better than the alternatives.
Is one of those alternatives returning the hostages, laying down arms, and negotiating for peace? Because I feel like that’s a much better alternative that’s far more likely to end this conflict, and also something that Palestinians can do to end this immediately. Definitely more effective than shutting down train stations in unrelated countries.
You do realize the ones shutting down the train stations and the ones in charge of Hamas are not the same group? Pretty stupid to compare them like that. It’s like saying having murderers stop murdering is more effective than having police hunt down murderers and capturing them.
Yawn… yet another worthless white moderate whining that other people’s lives and freedom are less important than his convenience.
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If you’re going to invoke Dr. King in this conflict you should be aware of his position regarding it.
MLK has been dead for 50+ years. Claiming he has a position on Netanyahu’s genocidal tactics is utter nonsense.
It’s almost like this conflict extends back a long time, and the root causes of it, and cited motivations for violence, haven’t changed since his time.
It’s almost like it’s bad-faith trolling to pretend root causes are relevant when we’re actually talking about Israel’s current tactics. It’s pretty fucking disgusting that you apparently can’t agree that genocide is wrong no matter who started it.
Israel’s current tactics are the result of the position it finds itself in, fighting against a guerilla terrorist government in a densely populated urban area. And that’s because of a long causal chain of events going back to the root causes. King was alive during most of what Palestine considers instigating events, the Nakba, the '67 war…
Only one side of this conflict explicitly intends to commit genocide, and it’s not Israel. Only one side did commit genocide when they had the upper hand, and it wasn’t Israel. Historical context is relevant and not just yesterday’s tactics, considered in a vacuum.
Although war is tragic, I don’t consider this a genocide. Eliminating an ethnic group is clearly not Israel’s intention or motivation. If it were they could have easily done so by now and they haven’t for obvious reasons. I oppose genocide, I don’t oppose self-defense. This is about safety for them.
Eliminating an ethnic group is clearly not Israel’s intention or motivation.
https://kbin.social/m/[email protected]/t/588452/Israeli-Government-Mulls-Forcible-Permanent-Transfer-of-2-2-Million-Gaza
If Israel wanted to change their position, they’d think seriously about peace. The last administration who did was Rabin’s, and he got assassinated for it.
I think it’s great that you’re such a big fan of Amy Schumer that you’ve endorsed her terrible take on this. I can’t say I’m that big a fan, but I love some of her comedy. Her realistic military game sketch is a great bit.
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realistic military game sketch
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