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There is no way they hit them purposefully.

Are you saying they missed? 6 times in 10 days?

What we want is a cease fire except we don’t cease firing.

Yeah sure thing bro

But also due probability, I simply trust the IDF explanation about a million more times than I trust the explanation of anyone who supports Hamas’s ideology.

So by “probability” you mean that you feel that the IDF is less likely to lie than Hamas?

Despite saying (correctly)

I’m very sure that Israel has some liars in charge right now.

The thing is, we don’t need to trust Hamas. There is a good chance there are tunnels under any particular building (far under but let’s put a pin in that for now). So when Israel bombs a water facility, there is probably a tunnel at least close by, about 10 m down or whatever.

But the question isn’t whether there’s a tunnel. The question is what Israel is targeting. The only people who can answer that are those in the Israeli government and military, which you acknowledge contains “some liars.” We don’t even need to see what Hamas says. So why do you trust their explanation?

Can you elaborate?

How do you know that?

And half of Gaza’s water infrastructure being destroyed (based on BBC satellite photos and guesswork) also does not impress me

Wasn’t trying to impress you. Just clarifying that I was not lying.

Oh no, poor Gaza. They gave all their water to terrorism and didn’t save enough for themselves.

“Gave all their water to terrorism” - do you even hear yourself? Did the malnourished children “give” their water to Hamas? I can’t even believe you’re being serious here.

And like, Jesus fucking Christ. Did you read your own article? Did you look at the photograph in the very first picture in the article that shows the water tanks clearly were not targeted by Israel?

Yeah of course I did. It’s the middle one here. How exactly does this show it’s not been targeted? And if they really aren’t targeting them, why have 53% been destroyed or damaged? Are they the worst army at aiming in the world or something?

No, of course you didn’t, because it doesn’t support your imaginary version of the evil Jew.

Are you saying I’m antisemitic for believing the FACT that Israel has damaged much of the water infrastructure in Gaza?

But you are flat out lying. Gaza has built three desalinization plants in Gaza since this war has started. Every one of them built with charity. Every one of them built with materials that Israel allowed into the country. None of the three have been bombed.

Please read: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-68969239

Yes two aid trucks, two accidents, neither one was covered up, the perpetrators were fired and will be prosecuted. That’s normal for war.

And did you just ignore the hundreds of killed aid workers I mentioned (and linked a source for) in my last comment? You say just “two accidents” as if that’s it.

What’s not normal is a country that needs 500 aid trucks a day. Gaza has been dependent on handouts for decades

Lol I wonder why 🤣

Wow, two trucks blown up out of how many tens of thousands of trucks?

Don’t be an idiot. They were travelling a “safe” route. They were coordinating their position with Israel. They were innocent aid workers. They should have never been killed. Making out it is fine because it’s “rare” is ridiculous.

If you want to play numbers, Israel killed 254 aid workers up to the end of April.

You don’t find your reaction a little hysterical?

“Hysterical”? No. I used no emotive language (apart from “massacre” which is generally how that event is referred to), I just listed some of the many facts that show Israel is the main problem for aid distribution. Calling this “hysterical” is a pathetic rhetorical trick to make out that that everyone else is “emotional” and you are “rational.” It’s embarrassing.

Hysterical would be: OMG those innocent aid workers were BUTCHERED by Israel, brutally killed in the prime of their life. This is the worst crime imaginable, can you think of how their parents feel?! These people are monsters, MONSTERS. Worse than Hitler. Like Satan himself. If you didn’t cry about this you are SCUM.

I said they “were killed.”

Totally emotionless.

What? There is less aid than before the war because there is a war. How does that not make sense to you?

It’s totally possible to designate actual safe zones for humanitarian purposes and give these people aid. And “because there is a war” there is much more need for humanitarian aid. Because Israel has destroyed food production, water desalination plants and much more. But obviously you know that.

Israel increased the demand for aid, killed people distributing aid, stops much of the aid from getting in, and makes it impossible to safely get it (e.g. flour massacre) and you have the gall to say they “want” aid in. Give us a fucking break.

From here

Around 500 trucks with aid and other commercial supplies were entering Gaza daily before the conflict, when the enclave was also able to produce much of its food through agriculture and fishing, both of which have nearly entirely ceased.

UNRWA communications director Juliette Touma said both humanitarian and commercial supplies were needed for Gaza because the entire population was now dependent on handouts, which was not sustainable.

Down from 500 to 100 to 200 a day. Rarely (like in the linked story) more, often much less. Never 500 since October, despite calls from around the world.

This is why you fall back on pretending everyone arguing with you is overly emotional or just stupid. The facts are staring all of us in the face and we see it too clearly. You want to pretend this is “normal” but have to really double down in the face of such overwhelming evidence.

Israel actually does care about getting aid into the country

Is this why there was the flour massacre and many others around that time, and why the WCK aid workers were killed? Oh yeah and why they said they were stopping all food and water? And why there is much less aid coming in than there was before the war even started, when the need was much lower?

Words are cheap. Israel’s actions speak volumes.

You really just didn’t engage with the question/point at all huh?

I literally did none of that.

If a neighbouring state blew up your house, killing your children and your wife, would you be more or less likely to commit violent acts against them?

This will not keep Israel safe. It will only create further generations that hate them.

If we only count instances like these we see from Israel, where an innocent person is literally used as a shield and not just sat at home or something, how many cases of Hamas using human shields actually are there?

Sweden is technically a monarchy but a constitutional one. Jordan is actually a traditional monarchy, just weakly pretending to be a constitutional one.

I think if you can’t see the implications of this in the current context you are lost. This focus on the horrendous crimes that took place on October 7th is being used to justify a genocide. Of course it was horrendous. But ever since then we have seen a continuous stream of horrendous crimes, and narrowly focusing on the 1,200 victims of October 7th is a game to distract attention from the 35,000 + mainly innocent people who have been brutally killed in the almost 8 months since then and still being killed now.

This story on it’s own is about despicable crimes and there would be nothing to object to. The wider context and specific timing make it more sinister

Imagine being stuck between Hamas, who uses your suffering to increase support for their cause, and Israel who is more than happy to kill you anyway. And rather than sympathise with these poor people you take to the internet to defend the murderers in the IDF just because the other side is also bad.

Imagine if you were close enough to your humanity to feel for the people suffering instead of just running transparent PR for the ones killing thousands and thousands of children

It’s really weird how they emphasise this “rape and abuse of women” line when things are looking bad for them. It’s like they see this as the thing that generates the most outrage, and all they have left say in their defense is “Hamas is evil.” So they try to make everyone focus on the emotional response to the horrors on October 7th so it “feels” like this is a fair justification.

They have had this footage for over 7 months. And it just so happens that they sat on it until now, and released it shortly after the ICJ ruling. Hmmmmmmm

They seem to think they can distract everybody with this like they’re jingling keys for a baby

“Safety concerns”

There were instances where I heard staff discuss whether detainees from Gaza should get painkillers. Or ways to perform certain procedures that can turn the treatment into punishment.

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One doctor with knowledge of conditions there said prolonged cuffing to beds would cause “huge suffering, horrible suffering”, describing it as “torture” and saying patients would start to feel pain after a few hours.

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So, if you put together [that] someone is undergoing an invasive procedure, which involves even incisions, and doesn’t know about that, and is blindfolded, then the line between treatment and assault thins out.”

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"This period was mental and physical torture,” he said. “I can’t describe it. I was detained with two legs and now I have only one. Every now and then, I cry.”

This is torture. The “staff in a free country” raising their “safety concerns” are whistleblowers and the IDF’s response is that (often innocent) detainees were treated “appropriately and carefully” but then when given details…

The IDF did not respond to the specific allegations about Sufian’s treatment, but said the claims of violence towards him during his arrest or detention “were unknown and will be examined”.

So what all of this is leading towards is… Are these the people you’re taking to the internet to defend? Are you fucking seriously doing a “bu… but the other side!!” in response to very credible accusations of torture?

You seem to think this is all fine but the staff working there do not:

Yoel Donchin, the anaesthesiologist, said medical staff at the field hospital sometimes gathered together to cry over the situation there. “The moment our hospital closes,” he said, “we’ll celebrate.”

These people are the hypocrites you should be angry about and the fact that you tried to deflect onto Gazans tells me everything I need to know about you. You should be ashamed of yourself. If you can read about torture and not even acknowledge how wrong it is, and instead take to the comments to defend them, you might actually be evil.

If he’s so upset about being compared to mass murderers he should have not murdered people en masse. It’s actually very easy to not do that

But the war is against Hamas, not all Palestinians, right?! I’m sure the violent settlers were punished for their crimes and not actively supported by the IDF, right?! It couldn’t be that this is simply consistent with Israel’s genocidal aims. There must be a really complicated explanation for why all of this was necessary to kill anyone who is Palestinian “protect Israel” from “terrorists.”