Let’s face it, the dems don’t care about the commoners, the republicans are actually pure evil, everyone was happy when that shitstain CEO got shot.
Maybe we should build on this momentum we have to drive actual change at the political level.
my first act as president in 2029 would be to issue a full and unconditional pardon of the billionaire killer.
edit:
well alrighty then, followup question, does anyone want to join my newly formed political party? I’m going to start working on drafting our mission statement, or manifesto or whatever it should be called.
Further Edit: I set up a lemmy community for us to post shit about it. If you want to join, that’s our official, unofficial space. https://lemmy.world/c/newpoliticalparty
If you do. I think it’s a great idea.
But don’t fall into the “green party” loophole of just sabotaging neo-liberal democrats and helping literal facists get elected.
Start local. Run for seats you can win. Priosritise states with open primary systems.
We need a grassroots movement.
Right now is actually the perfect time to create a third party. You have effectively two years to get people excited about an actual progressive party and if the DNC come knocking saying you’re going to split the vote, tell them that they are splitting the vote and they should fold into you.
I’m fucking tired of the Democrats learning the wrong lessons from lost elections. They’d rather lose than give up power.
Or hijack the democratic platforms like how magats hijacked republican party.
There is a reason why it worked for the Republicans and won’t work for the Democrats: the bases are vastly different.
Republicans, by in large, will vote for a Republican even if they don’t like the candidate. I saw this a lot when I was a poll worker. They don’t even care about their platform. So long as they have an R at the end of their name, they get a vote from Republicans.
While Democrats vote Democrat, they’ll only come out to vote if they are energized. They won’t come out to vote if they don’t feel like you’ve earned it. We saw this in 2016 and 2024.
Simply put, Republicans are more reliable voters.
The Democrat tent is very large with often conflicting values. A lot of single-issue voters will simply stay home than to vote for a Democrat. Because of this, it is rare when a candidate will arise that will galvanize and coalesce the base.
The last time it happened was Obama.
Doesn’t even have to be progressive per se, just an “Eat The Elites” party would probably do well as the one and only platform at this point.
Since you seem interested, start one. Don’t ask someone to do it for you, or for their approval. Do what you truly believe, not what others support.
Until we have a voting system where 3rd parties are viable (for example. Ranked Choice Voting, Star Voting, Approval Voting, etc.), we absolutely do not benefit in any way for the existence of more parties.
Whether intentional or not, America today is a two-party system by design. If you want more choices beyond the Democrats and Republicans, you need to help us enact voting system reforms which are necessary to allow 3rd parties to exist legitimately. We aren’t joking when we say that voting 3rd party is throwing your vote away; it very much is.
Need to fix the broken FPTP voting system first. Otherwise any left leaning political party will just take votes away from the dems and hand the election to the republicans.
And Republicans know this by the way, any left leaning fringe party will get financial donations from the Republican Party,
No, because “caring about commoners” and “shitting on the rich” are not actually the same objective. People are happy about it because it feels good to get revenge or for people who treat others unfairly to be punished, but sating popular bloodthirst isn’t necessarily aligned with actually making society a better place. “Kill the bad people and the problems will be fixed” is historically very much a famous last words kind of sentiment.
First past the post is what you’re tangling with.
It makes it so third parties only hurt their closest friend and lose to their least favorite party. Taking that energy into the democratic party itself is probably the best bet. Not good, but best.
In ranked choice, yes a new party would probably be best.
Y’all need an actual left of center, worker based party to undo this late stage capitalist nightmare that’s happening now
you’re god damned right.
Phew, a lot of their Democrats actually seem to think they sit left of the spectrum, and they already get called commies by their right wing. Their brains might split in two when they realize that their Democrats are merely another side of the same liberal coin…
No. Socialists of the past have never won any political victories by saying “rich bad,” the victory comes from presenting alternative solutions like public ownership and central planning. What you are describing is adventurism, not a genuine revolutionary movement.
I suggest you read my intro to Marxism list.
I didn’t actually say socialism though, did I? I mean, I’m a socialist, but I think we have to just focus on shitting on the rich, because it’s easy and people will be able to join in.
I’m also not ruling out throwing actual shit at the rich.
If your only platform is uniting on hatred, and have no actual plans in place for improvement, you just become terrorists, rather than revolutionaries. Something being “easy” doesn’t mean it is effective. Lenin actually wrote about such a group, the Socialist Revolutionaries, in the article Revolutionary Adventurism. The SRs had taken to advocating assassination as it “transfers power from the elites to the masses” (something historically false) and declared that theory was bad, because it can get in the way of unity. Such directionless action ultimately doesn’t change anything.
Hating the Capitalists is well and good, but without a unified plan to replace them, the hate becomes the goal and nothing gets better. That’s why we can celebrate the death of this bozo while recognizing nothing will change because of it unless the workers get organized.
Shitting on the rich has most definitely worked in MANY situations.
Only when combined with actual practical plans in place beforehand.
Isn’t that what this is?
No. This platform is “rich bad.” It doesn’t present an alternative, it preserves existing systems that give rise to wealth disparity without tackling them and presenting an alternative.
Oops. I meant the community that OP started. It’s a place to hammer out those details on top of RICH BAD.
People have already hammered out those details, the most major arguments are on the basis of Anarchism or Marxism. OP didn’t invent anything, the answer lies in the past. PSL already exists, as does FRSO, what specifically is wrong with these where an entirely new party is necessary?
I mean the French revolution would like a word with you.
Also rich bad. It’s demonstrably true that rich people are completely disconnected from reality and will step on anyone to maintain their wealth.
It is not all of them, but it is most of them. History has always seen class warfare and this time is not different .
The French Revolution was a bourgeois revolution. It deposed the monarchy, but unlike what the Paris Commune tried to achieve, the Bourgeoisie became the new owners of the State. Proletarian Revolution needs organization and unity.
We don’t need a party devoted to shitting on any specific other group. We need one that is devoted to building up regular, every day people instead of the already obscenely wealthy. Like, actually devoted to that and not simply giving lip service to it while working against it (like Conservatives tend to do), or doing as little as they can to get “good guy points” while still sucking a big, fat corporate dick (like the Democrats tend to do).
Depose party
We are past the soap and ballot box stages.
I don’t think we’re going to gain any traction until we override Citizens United and make bribing public officials illegal again. That would allow us to take back the legislative process and begin passing bills that the super rich are not going to like.
To everyone bringing up FPTP, other countries manage to not have it, it can be done, so stop fighting so hard against efforts to doing away with it.
We need electoral reform that implements a system where more than two parties becomes viable. Imagine splitting left-leaning voters even more than they are now. It’s guaranteed wins for Republicans.
First Past the Post must be done away with and there should instead be a coalition of voters that refuse to support ANY candidate that doesn’t make it their primary campaign policy. Once that’s done, smaller parties will organically be created and incorporated into the system.
Support organizations listed here, specifically FairVote.
People think ranked choice is too confusing.
With voters like that, we’re so fucked.
Then do STAR, or approval. Those are simple. And I think even more likely to allow 3rd parties.
Pretty much anything is better than FPTP.
Personally, I think a 2 round system is the best bet.
Or a non-partisan blanket primary with top 2 going into a 1vs1 general election.
Both are similar, with the goal of eliminating the spoiler effect, and its easy to understand, since we are still choosing one name, but with 2 rounds of elections instead.
Those don’t eliminate the spoiler effect, but it does end up looking different. (Maybe has a different name in this form?)
My blue state has a blanket primary, and this last election I saw that demonstrated:
One race had two Republicans and like half a dozen Democrats and another half a dozen in other parties. The Republican vote of course was split between the two candidates. The Democrat vote was split like a hydra and we very nearly had (few hundred votes away) the two Republicans go to the general!
Fortunately, the top Dem barely squeaked into second place, and then easily won the general, but it was mighty close.
Good luck, it will go nowhere
Until the wonner-takes-all system is changed you will always only have Democrats and Republicans
Of course all that depends on if there will be a democracy left after 4 years…
