I’ve been consuming a lot of political content on both sides lately, but there’s one thing that seems to be common among the Republicans. They always point out Kamala’s shortcomings as a way to justify Trump’s right to be president. They constantly bring up Kamala’s wavering stances on fracking, the fact she hasn’t been to the border, and a lot of other stuff. And i just think to myself “okay, so what? She’s lied. So has Trump though”. Why are republicans making it sound like Trump hasn’t lied even moreso than Kamala?
Maybe the things Kamala lies about are so terrible? I really don’t know. Maybe I’m just too biased. Am i missing something?
The purpose of your post is to “beg the question” and launder a false premise that “she lies” as if the Republicans had any meaningful claims to make in that area. They don’t. Your core position here is flawed.
Yes, trump is worse on all accounts. Always. Put him next to just about any living human being, save for the ones who’s pants he drools on, he’s worse. Without anything close to an equivalence.
I wasn’t laundering any false premises. I was only stating the fact that she has lied. I don’t doubt this because she IS a politician after all. The examples i used are things which the Republicans have brought up as “lies” which i acknowledge, and i assumed everyone also acknowledged. Of course, you’re free to disagree but I wasn’t trying to launder any false premises here.
You just acknowledging the blanket false claims, generalized “lies” and that framing is laundering their false premise. You conceding some sort of an equivalence and saying “so what, she lied” is further laundering their BS. If this wasn’t intentional, I’ll hear you out, but you need to then know that you’re being used as a puppet here then and unintentionally parroting what they’d like you to be saying. And, you should go add a note to your original post clarifying, if you’re sincere.
I will ask you this, “What do you ACTUALLY know here?” You mentioned lies about fracking, sincerely, what are you referencing there? If you don’t have specifics at hand, and you have to now scramble to look something up and double down, time to admit, again even if unintentionally, you are laundering republican bs.
Here I’ll help you:
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Harris did not make her personal position on fracking clear during her only debate in 2020, the general election’s VP debate against then-VP Mike Pence (of “Hang Mike Pence” fame)
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Harris never explicitly stated a personal position on fracking during that debate. She said that Biden, running for president with her supporting as VP, would not ban fracking if he was elected president.
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During the 2020 VP debate, Harris said, “Joe Biden will not end fracking,” and “I will repeat, and the American people know, that Joe Biden will not ban fracking.”
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Back before that VP debate, When Harris was actually running in the presidential primary on her own and could reference her own views on fracking directly, the furthest she came was “there’s no question I’m in favor of banning fracking.”
There is no promise there. No lie told since. You can be in favor of something that isn’t politically feasible at a time, or feel you personally have more to learn. You can say something akin to, “that sounds like the right thing to do, but I’ll need to think about it more” that’s the measured stance of a thinking person.
So what was the lie there? Or again, were you laundering the republican’s bs propaganda to try to normalize the idea that " EVERYBODY just lies, man… so trump ain’t so bad I guess…" - intentionally or unintentionally.
Is that what you wanted me to say? Look man, I’m not a Conservative nor am i even American. Like i said, I’ve just been following the US election, and have been engaging in media from both sides. It’s possible that i have been “tricked” by the Republicans, but i was simply asking a question while both making some assumptions and stating a fact. And with the fracking:
Here’s her saying she is 100% in favour of banning fracking.
Here’s her backtracking on that
So clearly your claim “Harris did not make her personal position on fracking clear…” is false.
Also, where did you get the “everybody lies, so Trump’s not so bad i guess” from in my post. If you go back, and put on your reading glasses to see what i wrote, you’ll see that i was asking why people bring up Kamala’s “lies” when Trump is even worse of a liar.
Backtracking five years later isn’t strictly the same thing as lying. Five years is enough time to learn new information, and she’s being upfront about the change. I’d be more concerned if she were saying right up until the election that she’s going to ban fracking, then suddenly refused to do so as president.
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Both American political parties do this often. It’s much easier to attack your opponent for their transgressions than it is to prove your own aptitude and it seems to be just as, if not more, convincing to the average person. I don’t think this should be particularly shocking.
I never really cared for politics until very recently, so i always thought its discourse would be grounded in logic and not logical fallacies. So i am quite shocked.
You should try reading actual political theory. You’ll find that western politics isn’t and has never been grounded in reality. It does not have a material basis and as such it gains support primarily through the people’s emotions, especially fear and anger.
Here’s some easy reading to get you started
- The Communist Manifesto[Text][Audio]
- Blackshirts and Reds[Text][Audio]
- The Principles of Communism[Text][Audio]
- Introduction to Political Economy[Text]
I don’t expect to shove books like this in your face and actually have you immediately read all of them. You may not be at the part of your political developement where you have any motivation to do that. So here are some youtube channels that cover the material in them and apply that material to modern reality in a more easily digestable way. These are great resources that can teach you a lot but they are not and should not replace reading actual political theory. In my experience these helped develop my understanding of political economy to the point where I had sufficient motivation to read that theory.
None of these people get everything perfect all the time but they are generally good in my experience. Best of luck learning.
Appreciate the recommendations man. I’ll be sure to check em out
Why do democrats bring up trumps “lies”/shortcomings as a way to claim kamala is better?
This isnt unique to a particular political party they all do it they always have they always will.
Because its the only thing he does ? Just my two cents because Im from Europe.
Not really he does stand for some things that isnt just fabricated bullshit. He primary purpise of a politician is to lie ur way to getting as many votes as possible u would be blind to think otherwise. I dont like the guy buy i just fund the whole trump is hitler narrative is an exaggeration that is making the political divide worse than it actually is.
Just my 2 cents because im an aussie mainly here to piss off the American left and right equallity thats how i know im doing a good job.
Bro, he talks so much bullshit its the only incredible thing he does. The purpose of a politican is not to lie, where I come from they make promises, where you know a lot of them wil not be fulfilled, but he is just spitting lies and saying stuff that never happened.
And yeah, he is not hitler and shouldnt be compared to him because in comparison he is a little frog eating his shitflies.
Just out of curiosity is there any reason, you’re aware of, that you went for “Trump and Kamala” as opposed to “Trump and Harris” when you wrote your post? I’ve got no clowns in this circus so it’s a genuine question.
No reason at all. It just sounded better in my head
